Originally Posted by PacersguyUSA

I've seen Darko and Brezec play. I remember distinctly Darko having a spiffy dunk blocked by the rim, and I remember Brezec throwing a "no-look" pass by passing first and then looking away. I thank Brezec for that though, because that was one of the funniest things I've seen in the NBA.



Explain why then U.S scrubs such as Maceo Baston and Anthony Parker are some of the best in Europe. If these European players are so great playing in the European system with they're "complete game" that's great for them. They should stay there. Most of them obviously can't play in a league as good as the NBA.




List of Euros drafted in the last 10 years:

Eurelijus Zukauskas
Dragan Tarlac
Predrag Stojakovic
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Efthimis Rentzias
Martin Muursepp
Priest Lauderdale
Marko Milic
Predrag Drobnjak
Roberto Cueñas
Dirk Nowitzki
Radoslav Nesterovic
Mirsad Turckan
Vladimir Stepania
Bruno Sundov
Gordan Giricek
Hidayet Türkoglu
Dalibor Bagaric Benston
Iakovos Tsakalides
Marco Jaric
Josip Sesar
Igor Rakocevic
Pau Gasol
Vladimir Radmanovic
Raul Lopez
Tony Parker
Mehmet Okur
Antonis Fotsis
Robertas Javtokas Lietuvo
Nickoloz Tskitishvili
Bostjan Nachba
Jiri Welsch
Nenad Krstic
Milos Vujanic
Juan Carlos Navarro
Mario Kasun
Peter Fehse
Mladen Sekularac
Darko Milicic
Mickaël Pietrus
Zarko Cabarkapa
Aleksandar Pavlovic
Boris Diaw
Zoran Planinic
Maciej Lampe
Szymon Szewczyk
Slavko Vranes
Zaur Pachulia
Sani Becirovic
Paccelis Morlende
Remon Van de Hare
Nedzad Sinanovic
Andreas Glyniadakis
Andris Biedrins
Pavel Podkolzine
Victor Khryapa
Sergei Monia
Sasha Vujacic
Beno Udrih
Albert Miralles
Viktor Sanikidze
Sergey Lishchuk
Vassilis Spanoulis
Christian Drejer
Sergei Karaulov
Fran Vazquez
Yaroslav Korolev
Johan Petro
Ian Mahinmi
Ersan Ilyasova
Roko Ikic
Mile Illic
M. Andriuskevicius
Erazem Lorbek
Mickael Gelebale
Axel Hervelle
Marcin Gortat
Uros Slokar
Cenk Akyol

Now, subtract the ones that were already legit Euro stars, because I'm all for drafting them:

Eurelijus Zukauskas
Dragan Tarlac
Efthimis Rentzias
Martin Muursepp
Priest Lauderdale
Marko Milic
Predrag Drobnjak
Roberto Cueñas
Radoslav Nesterovic
Mirsad Turckan
Vladimir Stepania
Bruno Sundov
Gordan Giricek
Hidayet Türkoglu
Dalibor Bagaric Benston
Iakovos Tsakalides
Marco Jaric
Josip Sesar
Igor Rakocevic
Vladimir Radmanovic
Tony Parker
Mehmet Okur
Antonis Fotsis
Robertas Javtokas Lietuvo
Nickoloz Tskitishvili
Bostjan Nachba
Jiri Welsch
Nenad Krstic
Milos Vujanic
Juan Carlos Navarro
Mario Kasun
Peter Fehse
Mladen Sekularac
Darko Milicic
Mickaël Pietrus
Zarko Cabarkapa
Aleksandar Pavlovic
Boris Diaw
Zoran Planinic
Maciej Lampe
Szymon Szewczyk
Slavko Vranes
Zaur Pachulia
Sani Becirovic
Paccelis Morlende
Remon Van de Hare
Nedzad Sinanovic
Andreas Glyniadakis
Andris Biedrins
Pavel Podkolzine
Victor Khryapa
Sergei Monia
Sasha Vujacic
Beno Udrih
Albert Miralles
Viktor Sanikidze
Sergey Lishchuk
Vassilis Spanoulis
Christian Drejer
Sergei Karaulov
Fran Vazquez
Yaroslav Korolev
Johan Petro
Ian Mahinmi
Ersan Ilyasova
Roko Ikic
Mile Illic
M. Andriuskevicius
Erazem Lorbek
Mickael Gelebale
Axel Hervelle
Marcin Gortat
Uros Slokar
Cenk Akyol

And your left with a sorry bunch of players. Very few of those players I would say are deserving of their draft pick. Now, I've heard the counter argument "there's a lot of American drafted that don't turn out good too." To that I point out that American players, when drafted from high school, are stars on the high school level and college players generally as well. What I don't understand, is why NBA GMs keep drafting players such as Darko Milicic that aren't that great in Europe, and expect them to be great in America, when they obviously won't. I mean, what were those GMs thinking when drafing players like Mickael Gelabal?

You can look at an American pick that might be questionable, such as Bracey Wright, and at least justify it with Wright's 18 PPG and national title appearance. With Gelabal, you have a whole lot less.




I don't care why they are bad, the bottom line is that they 18 wins and 64 losses, and that is not good. I don't care that they lost "plenty of games by less than 3 points." If they were good, they would have won those games.




You're pretty bad at Ad Hominem attacks. Step you patronizing game up.