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Originally Posted by Skeet Skeet Skita
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My point is that there is no difference between SG and SF, hence it is unnecessary to discern between these positions. In most setplays of modern basketball, the setplay starts off with a 1-2-2 set-up of the players. Have a look at this, so you know what I am talking about:
This set, like most others in modern basketball, does not discern between SG and SF, hence, like I said, render a categorisation between SG and SF unnecessary.
You could say the same for PF and Center.
And it's not like this is all coming from my fantasy, but from my experience from playing in quite professional leagues here in Europe. And I also might want to add, that European coaches emphasise tactics and setplays way more than US coaches. So I quite know what I am talking about.
Just to sum it up. In modern basketball the positions are Playmaker, Wing and Post. That's it.
And to come to your question about Nowitzki. He plays like a Post. Only because he shoots 3 pointers, does not mean he can't be a post player. It's not like Dallas runs plays that has Nowitzki running through screens and make him a spot up shooter. Most of his 3 pointers come from pick and pops and transition situations and he does not even shoot the ball every time he gets after he sets a pick, he also takes it to the basket. But Nowitzki mostly gets the ball on the low or high block and either shoots his deadly fadeaway, faces up and uses pump fakes to get his man off his feet or uses his speed to enter the paint and attack the basket, that's why he gets a fair amount of free throws every game.
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You're just ignoring everyone else's point. Nobody is saying that SG and SF are totally different positions and nobody could ever think of overlapping them, but in a lot of systems there are some subtle differences that separate the positions.
They are not mutually exclusive, but they are not the exact same "wing position" that you describe.
For instance, in HS I played the 3 because my handles weren't good enough to bring the ball up and run a play, and my outside shot wasn't as good as a 2 guard, but I rebounded better than a 2 guard and generally played a more inside-outside game. Our 2 guard was responsible for running off screens in our offense and getting open catch-and-shoot opportunities. My responsibility was catching baseline passes for inside moves or putting me on the move to drive.
So every offense doesn't necessarily use the two positions exactly the same. And I played basketball in America, so I quite know what I'm talking about.