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Re: Kobe or MJ?
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Originally Posted by The One
1. And who says MJ was never a *****?
2. This is clearly speculation and should not be included in your argument.
3. Very true. Same for Shaq of course(Even though he did win one in Miami): remember that there is no prove right now that the fued in L.A was a onesided affair.
4. I don't think anybody has left out the Shaq factor. Kobe has been compared to MJ for years. The member who made this thread brought it up because he felt that Kobe 05-06 performance warrant anothing look at the comparison.
5. this is really the only argument right now that anybody can present: Their is a hand full of accomplishments that Jordan has done that either Kobe has not done or has not done enough (5 time League MVP, 6 Time Chamionship, 6 Time Finals MVP, I believe about 7 scoring league, Second Alltime Leading Points ect.) And it is reasonable to say that Kobe may never accomplish as much as Jordan did in stats....and for the League in general.
6. True and it would have been best if the adgenda of this thread was not a joke; then we can have a better discussion about the comparison.
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I geuss 1 and 2 should be the same point in my opinion. Actually, by his words etc. he really was a dick as I have heard. I mean, most superduperstars are, it's a winning trait. You can't be afraid to step on toes. Word has it he hated Toni Kukoc. As for the speculation. Yes, I suppose you are right... I did read Phil Jackson's book, and according to him, Kobe, Jerry I believe, and Phil were present in the meeting that Phil was fired in. Sure, could be a lie, could just be in the book to add to the story line. But I choose to believe it.
3. You're definately right. No feud can really be onesided. Shaq and Kobe obviously didn't like each other, but the greatest player ever to play the game of basketball, should be able to control the feud and win three more championships.... Actually... Four.
6. Whoops... didn't realize it was a joke thread. I looked at the votes display last, and that is what prompted me to post.
Really, I just don't like Kobe. In a SLAM article back after the Lakers first or second championship. Kobe made the point that the Raptor's could be in the Eastern Conference finals at the time had Tracy McGrady not been selfish and taken his place as the second star of the Raptors. Then he pulls the exact same **** like three years later. I mean he may not have been the cause of all the feuding between them, but in the end. For some reason. The Laker's were forced to choose between Kobe and Shaq. Obviously they made the right decision. But, what if they never had to make that decision at all?
Thank you.
-Beehls
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