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Originally Posted by Pioneer10
I don't really know what to make of HOF discussions anymore once Dumars got elected. There is no set criteria to argue with particularly considering the gazillion amount of coaches who've been elected. Worthy was a better player then Dumars, he's at leaast as "worthy" as Parrish IMO and Alex English.
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I absolutely agree with you there. Dumars is a poor electee and Parrish and English seem better cut out for the Hall of The Very Good.
I simply don't believe in making a Hall of Fame case based on the worst selections, because that simply downgrades the Hall of Fame. Granted, there will be some undeserving selections, but they should be limited...they shouldn't lower the bar.
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I still think you're underestimating Worthy, if he wasn't part of Showtime I do believe his numbers would have been better as a team's number 1 option if he didn't go to the Lakers (first overall pick in the draft). Would have those numbers been enough to make the HOF, don't know. Like I said he's similar to Alex English who did make the HOF and his numbers would be more in line with Adrian Dantley who didn't. Then again I think Dantley should be in the HOF anways.
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I also think Dantley should probably be in, but his PERs are significantly higher. Even if you're right that Worthy could have recorded higher PERs on another team, I don't think they would have risen that much; as I said, he played on a team that played at fantastic pace and got him a lot more opportunities and easy opportunities than any other second- or third-option.
Also, as far as underestimating Worthy, bear in mind that he used to be one of my childhood heros (after Magic and Kareem) as I grew up idolizing the Showtime Lakers. I've gone from thinking of him as a surefire Hall of Famer to thinking he was a very good player for his generation, but not an immortal.