06-12-2007, 03:11 PM
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#97 (permalink)
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: You're showing your ignorance
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Originally Posted by Astral
How does that imply a negative? It's a comaparison of careers. For example, if you get two people with a job, one of which takes 2 years to become a manager while the other takes 4, who's generally going to be considered better?
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As stated before, longevity has no major relevance in evaluating a player's greatness. The fact that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar played as many years as he did is secondary to the fact he was clearly the best player in the league for his first 11 seasons and was an All-Star-caliber player the following seven.
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Originally Posted by Astral
Once again, this is a question of longevity not dominance, something I never disagreed on. How many more times are you going to bring this up?
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How in the world is winning six league MVPs in 10 years NOT a consideration of dominance? No one in NBA history has ever won six MVPs, except Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. You're not named a league MVP for some lifetime acheivement award, much less SIX.
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Originally Posted by Astral
Uhm. No. 90s had some of the best big men ever.
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When Shaquille O'Neal became the best center in the NBA in 1999, most of his peers -- namely, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson and Patrick Ewing -- were on the downside of their careers. Shaq passed Ewing in his second season, but it basically took him to near the end of the decade to pass Olajuwon and Robinson.
Beyond that, Alonzo Mourning was roughly two years from a career-derailing kidney ailment. Dikembe Mutombo also was piling on the years and was never considered that good. When Shaq climbed the mountaintop, the other top big men were power forwards (Tim Duncan, Chris Webber, Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace, et al).
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Originally Posted by Astral
Shaq was also 2 times the offensive juggernaut that KAJ was. There's a reason he's compared to Big Dipper, ya know?
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I thought Shaq was compared to Wilt Chamberlain because they were huge, physical athletic big men who couldn't shoot free-throws.
C'mon, don't be a total idiot -- Shaq is not "2 times the offensive juggernaut" than the NBA's all-time leading scorer. Kareem was a much more refined offensive player, a better passer who had better touch and range.
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