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Originally Posted by TwinkieFoot
For one thing, the Bobcats were focused on acquiring Jason Richardson. After giving up that $10 million trade exception, a deal involving Zach Randolph may have not been feasible from the Blazers perspective (who were interested in some financial flexibility). Another possibility may be the fact that the Bobcats did not realize the need for a player like Randolph until they started losing this season; I'm pretty sure they expected better results from the Richardson deal.
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You're really stretching the possible circumstances. As I said, the fact that is laid out there in front of us is that out of 29 teams, the best the Blazers could come up with is Channing Fyre and a 20+ million buyout of Steve Francis. If you really want to push it, let's just say that Jordan and the rest of the FO were out golfing the day the Blazers called and that's why they didn't hook up on Randolph. I mean, seriously, if 28 teams had close to no interest for Randolph, it's just more likely for my scenario to be the case instead of yours.
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A Vince Carter playing half-assed ball is still better than any of the players they recieved. While the Raptors were losing, I doubt they expected to win anytime soon from the package of players they recieved. From that standpoint, I do not really see the situations being any different.
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I do not think you followed the Raptors situation as closely as I did. Vince was giving plays away during the game and was benched before he was traded. The Raptors FO did not want VC to jeopardize the already dwindling attendance and the development of Chris Bosh. Trading him was quite urgent, it wasn't something that could be dealt with after the season.
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I never said they can't pay Wallace. What I did say is that they are not going to be able to do so if they don't generate enough interest in their team to have fans come to the games. That is just common sense. Randolph is a big enough star and fit to help do that and win more games. The Bobcats are currently 21st in the league in offensive production; there is only a 2-3ppg average that seperates them from dead last. You really think a guy like Zach Randolph could not help bolster their offensive game especially when they already have some solid perimeter shooters?
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Zach Randolph being a fan attraction is quite an unusual opinion. You should post this in the Blazers board and wait for their reaction. Also the idea of a high flyer like Gerald Wallace not being able to draw more fans than Randolph, whose public image has been less than friendly just seems ridiculous. If you are banking on Randolph being able to win more games, as I said, he hasn't proved that he can win more games anywhere. In fact, the team he just left has drastically improved both in wins and attendance, and the team that he just joined gets booed in the first quarter of every game. I don't know about you, it sounds pretty darn retarded if I'm bringing in Randolph for the sake of increasing attendance.
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Boris Diaw might have been out of shape but his game is predecated on skill moreso than athletic ability. With his physique and the system the Suns run, I doubt he'd have a hard time taking advantage of slower 4's and 5's. I think a more limited role was more key.
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Diaw's speed and agility is the reason why he's a mismatch for opposing 4s and 5s. You move slower when you're fat, that's common knowledge no? You also have less stamina when you're out of shape, either way you cut it it's bad for your performance. I'd think for someone who watches Curry and Randolph every game you should understand this better than I do.
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I've never questioned Wallace's defensive ability. Without a doubt, he's the best perimeter defender they got but the question is really whether they can be a good defensive team without him. I definately believe so because the Bobcat team is capable of really good defense with the players that they have. What the really need are scorers and no kind of player could make more of a difference in that sense than a post scorer who in turn provides opportunities for himself and his teammates by stretching the defense. You just can't get more integral than that.
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Wait what? If you take away the best perimeter defender of a team, you would wonder whether or not their defense would be as good? I'm not following this lol? You take away a team's best defender and expects them to be a good defensive team. By that same logic, shouldn't you take away a team's post scoring to make them a good post scoring team? Are we playing the everything opposite game lol?
Just for the sake of this awkward argument, the depth chart at SF for the Bobcats is Matt Carroll and Jared Dudley. It is debatable whether a player would have an easier time scoring getting doubled team by those 2 than getting single coverage by Wallace. If Adam Morrison makes it back from his injury, he might see some time at F but he's about the last place I'll go to find defense at the 2/3/4.
You should really draw up another trade scenario. This discussion is frankly moving in the direction of ridicule and humor rather than reality.