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Old 02-06-2008, 10:26 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Re: ELTON BRAND: With, or without?

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seems like you want to trade brand because to you, he has shown that he is not a winner, more specifically is that he really hasn't helped our team get anywhere.
Not "to me." Its just a fact. He has not carried THIS team to anything significant, nor a similarly moderately talented bull team. But most important is THIS team.

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you want to trade for ak47, kidd, carter??? what have they won lately??? kid is 35, and ak47 and carter are overpaid injury-prone crybabys....with ak, he literally cried when he didn't get his way...carter just gives up...i don't want pussies on our team...if things go bad, at least brand takes it like a man...something brand has done his whole career...
They havent been on the CLippers so we really DONT know what kind of impact they do. But there is upside there. With Brand we already know what he can and cant do for us. AK 47 id love here, not as a replacement for brand but rather as part of a bigger trade involving others. Tell me one person in the league (even more than Jr.) who is not tailor made for what dunleavvy wants in a wing player. Kidd at his age still is probably going to have (if he doesnt already) the most tripple doubles that anyone has had in one season in the nba in who knows how long. Hes still got it. As history has shown PG is an important position to have someone who can both score and dish. Carter is a superstar wing. The guy who doesnt get shakey at the end of games like every single clipper not named sam does. Sure he pouts sometimes, but if youre going to use that history, look at what he did after he was traded from toronto. Averaged 26 points a game the 3 years after the trade. Not to mention 6 boards, 5 assists. Have we ever had a wing player have that kind of ability? So no, were not guaranteed to win with them, but it is at least an effort to shake the status quo of being mediocre, and on paper it does look like what this system needs.

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you seem to value cap space more than brand, but i heartily disagree with you there...i think that brand is worth every cent and even if we were to not resign brand, there is no one better we could get with the cap space...
No, i value our team being in a position to win a championship more than brand. Like i said before, my first two choices would be to trade brand, so that were guaranteed were getting something back. But i still would prefer that we let him go for nothing guaranteed instead of overpaying him, giving him a max deal, in effect paralyzing this franchise for the next few years.

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have faith in our team...there is no one better for the money than brand...he is only 28...
Youre kidding, right? You want to give 17 million a year to start to a 29 or 30 year old who has proven that he cant play the role of the superstar the team needs? And no one better for that money in the league than he? I could name 10 people easy id give 17 million to before brand, probably 20. I love the guy, but to say hes worth more than anyone else is a bit much.
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