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Originally Posted by BadBaronRudigor
I wouldn't put Isiah Rider on my high school team; just not worth the hassles.
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You have to keep in mind these are not high school teams we’re talking about. We’re talking about grown men. Each one of these teams is going to have some tough battles in this tournament. I don’t think you just want to start casting guys off because you don’t like their personality or their game. If they produce better than the next guy, they deserve their spot. Are you going to throw out Ron Artest? Rasheed Wallace? Dennis Rodman? Charles Barkley? How deep does this go? I think the best peak-prime players should be on the team, plain and simple.
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As for Parker v. Arenas, Parker is a more skilled defender
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You will have a very, very tough time convincing me of this.
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… and a guy who was the finals MVP,
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Naming him Finals MVP over Duncan was a joke. Who did he play against in that series? Boobie Gibson? Damon Jones? Eric Snow? None of those guys have the foot speed to defend a guy like Parker. One series does not make a player. Just ask Austin Croshere.
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good PG to have though nowhere near as dominant as Arenas which is why I went with Arenas.
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Now, I like where your head is at. Parker’s not a great PG. He’s a good PG. Arenas is a dominant force.
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AS for Randolph, I knew that was controversial, he has the best numbers of any front line player but his defense and passing skills are poor and his best seasons combined with some bad attitude, underachieving Portland teams so again, with players like Gasol and Okur in his spot, I don't want to deal with his issues like I would if I needed his game.
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Okur is no substitute for Randolph. Gasol is probably more effective in the post than Randolph, but why throw away your second best post option just because you have a better one? If I could have Steve Nash on my team but I already have John Stockton, I wouldn’t just discard Nash or stash him away on my bench. I’d play them both together when I could get away with it, but the rest of the time I would always have one of them on the floor. They have unique skills that you just can’t get anywhere. Gasol and Randolph are like that. You never know which teams you’ll come up against in this type of tournament. You’ve got to keep all the options you can around. I’m not saying to throw Okur out. He’s got unique skills as well. All I’m saying is that Randolph should have a large role on this team: so should Okur AND Gasol.
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Originally Posted by Najee
I listed the bench players alphabetically, not by their level of importance. Calbert Cheaney was listed first because his name was the first surname alphabetically.
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What a great job you do at side-stepping the real issues at hand and answering only the easy questions that you want to answer. The bottom line is that you pick your teams off of the limited amount of time you have personally spent watching these players and off their individual name recognition. That’s the only possible explanation I can see for putting Calbert Cheaney on a draft team ahead of Shawn Bradley and Rodney Rogers. A lot of people have put in a lot of time watching games and recording stats so that we don’t have to guess at which players produced more in their careers. We don’t have to rely on our own memories of marginal players like these.
The fact that we are even having this discussion proves the point I made in the initial thread. The only way to eliminate issues of personal preference is to go strictly by the numbers.
Also, it’s easier to pick a team when you list 13 players instead of 12.
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Compared to Brendan Haywood, Samuel Dalembert is more active, is a better career scorer and rebounder, can block shots more than having them funneled to him and can play the power forward slot if needed. Considering you're the same person who would rather have Walter Berry for your Class of '86 team than Chuck Person, I would say replacing Hawyood with Dalembert is much more sensible.
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Replacing Haywood with Dalembert doesn’t add anything to this team, but at least they are the same caliber of player. I don’t have as much a problem with this as I do with some of the other issues you’ve raised. Much like the decision between Cal Cheaney and Lucius Harris, I had to make a tough choice between Haywood and Dalembert for the last spot on this team. I would rather Haywood, but I don’t fault you much for preferring Dalembert. My problem is that you prefer Troy Murphy to Haywood and you prefer Cheaney to Bradley and Rogers.