I dont really think our main purpose in posting should be to indoctrinate others or try to sway people's opinion. At least thats not my purpose in engaging in discussion. Its more to present differing viewpoints, and at the same time show that we are not really that off on opinions as some might make it seems.
Such as in my above post, do you not agree that its premature to say that guys like Kevin Martin and Ben Gordon have equaled or surpassed the talent level of Michael Redd? I believe we already all agree that Kobe, iverson, tmac, etc. are all bonified superstars regardless of what position they play. Even I had forgotten about Joe Johnson, after being mentioned, I must admit that I do feel he should be up there with redd as a second tier superstar.
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by and large there is very little that Redd brings to the table that validates him as a superstar:
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Depends on what kind of "superstar" we are talking about. I never have said he was on the same level as a kobe. Im using the word star, or superstar in the sense of a guy who is one of the best at his position in the game, a guy who would be the best player on the team for a lot of teams, a guy who can go out and drop 25 points a night, a guy who can hit a game winning shot, a guy who has unique ability that sets him apart from others. Im sure you would agree with me he fits those things.
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The fact that Milwaukee paid as much as they did for him speaks more about the trend of teams to overpay for their players
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Did they really overpay? Were not talking about giving 60 million to dalembert and nene. Or paying 21 million to michael finley. Heres a guy who has been their best player for years, and they gave him a deal that i believe started out at like 12-13 million. Cavs would have offered that amount had they had the space available.
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The fact that in all the time that has passed since Redd was signed Milwaukee has continued to be a losing franchise only further cements his true value as being far below what he is being paid.
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So Kevin garnett was drastically overpaid in minnesota because they werent winning? Look at the team minnesota had, look at the team the bucks have. Royal Ivey started 20 games, Ramon Sessions looked like a superstar last few games, Mo williams as the second best player on the team? Bogut is solid, albeit unspectacular. Your other two contributers, Villanueva and Yi, neither much to write home about.
Since the wizards can win without gilbert arenas, does that mean hes not a star?
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Whether or not LBJ wanted him on his team says more about his value as a #2 option, than the fact that he could be a "superstar."
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So if another star wants another star on the team, that means hes only valuable as a #2 option? Since pierce was estatic to get ray allen and garnett on the team, does that lessen anyones value as stars? Since kobe wanted gasol, does that mean gasol isnt a star caliber player? Iverson/Carmello in Denver...who is the 2nd option and who is the star?
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Likewise, the fact an announcer would rave about him speaks more about the sort of hyperbole commentators now routinely engage in, than what his true value to a team is.
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Perhaps you listen to different commentators than i, but rarely do i hear people discuss other people's shooting ability the way they talk about redd. Not since ray allen's peak. Sure, there are homer commentators who talk ridiculous things like michael smith talks about Q Ross, but im talking on a national level, i really dont hear the best shooter label being given to many players.
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a redd/brand combo would be sick with a decent point guard. i think i just orgazimed thinking of this lineup
pg: mayo
sg: redd
sf: thorton
pf: brand
c: kaman
i would kill anybody for this lineup
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thats a championship calliber team right there. Not sure if that could ever happen though. Wed probably have to take back a bad contract, plus give the bucks 2 future firsts for them to consider anything like that.