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Originally Posted by yamaneko
How doesnt that make any sense? When a team has more issues, more injuries, less options, id expect someone to do better than someone in a similar, yet less dire situation. Like Kaman and Maggette this year. All of us here expected them to have statistically better years due to their weak supporting cast.
What is the basis of saying the kings are a worse team than the bucks this year? My basis is the players they had starting on paper, as mentioned before. Similar to perhaps saying, the clippers were a worse team than the 76ers this year. Maggette might have had better stats than iguoadala, but i dont think that would make him the supierior player.
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It doesn't make sense because 1) Martin had a statistically better individual season than Redd, and 2) he led a team depleted by injuries playing in the tougher conference to materially more wins than Redd did with a healthy Bucks team (on which you yourself say he was surrounded by more talent than Martin was). Whether you use the better individual stats argument, or bigger impact resulting in more wins argument, Martin comes out on top as the better player both ways.
The comparison between Martin/Redd and Maggette/Iguadala is way off. You could try to argue that Maggette is a better player than Iguadala because he had better individual stats (even though I thought iggy's stats > maggette's anyway...?), but the flipside of the argument would be that iggy's the better player because his production even though not reflected in his stats has led to more wins for his team. Both positions could be defended and it would at least be debateable. You can't say either of those things for Redd though.... Martin has him in individual stats and he's shown he's more of a winner as well.
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How so? Is he a regular poster on the general forum? I certainly am not, and cannot remember the last time, if ever, i have psoted on there. I have always posted strictly on this clipper board, so why would i all of a sudden break character, and start going to other boards to post something? But no, the guy who goes and copies someones post and reposts it in other places is the one who is secure....
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You say that you BEG for a legitimate argument, it seemed from the responses in the main thread that you would have got that. I guess I just found this statement a bit funny coming from someone who has Redd in their top 3 "pure" sg's in the world above all those other players listed, and refuses to present their case/argument because they don't want to break character and post on the main board:
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Good lord, and thats why i dont care much for the general forum. some of those things said are pretty crazy IMO.
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