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It doesn't make sense because 1) Martin had a statistically better individual season than Redd, and 2) he led a team depleted by injuries playing in the tougher conference to materially more wins than Redd did with a healthy Bucks team (on which you yourself say he was surrounded by more talent than Martin was). Whether you use the better individual stats argument, or bigger impact resulting in more wins argument, Martin comes out on top as the better player both ways.
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Youre missing a key piece though, which is at the heart of my point. Both players played on poor poor teams. I maintain that martin had even less talent surrounding him then redd, thus that would mean he would shoulder more of the scoring load. Similar with maggette. We saw what maggette did the last couple of years with more talent on the team (although his situation seems to be really exaggerated), and then this year when the clippers had almost zero talent.
Martin I do not believe has shown to be more of a winner at all, and the maggette/iguadala comparison is spot on. Martin having about one and a half decent years, does not equate to being more of a winner and being a better player than redd. Let him average 25 points a game over a few years before we say that. How many more game winning shots does he have, (if any) than redd? Thats another factor in calling someone a winner. Just because a non playoff team has more wins than another non playoff team, that doesnt make the players on the team "winners." More times than not it has to do with coaching, and other intangibles.
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You say that you BEG for a legitimate argument, it seemed from the responses in the main thread that you would have got that. I guess I just found this statement a bit funny coming from someone who has Redd in their top 3 "pure" sg's in the world above all those other players listed, and refuses to present their case/argument because they don't want to break character and post on the main board:
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Yes. Decent debates like most of this thread is the reason i go on message boards. Not to hear people say nonsense like some of those things quoted on from the general board, not to see personal attacks, or someone who does not explain their viewpoint on a matter. Im not "refusing" to present an argument, on the contrary, since i started the topic in the other thread i have clearly and in a very detailed matter gone over my feelings on this topic.