yamaneko

I rest my case. You are just continuing to twist words and dodge truth. Theres no sense arguging with someone like you who continues to mis speak time and again and twist arguments.

1. Martin barely had better numbers than Redd this year, contrary to the way you make it seem. It even could be argued that it is less than redd inasmuch as he played in 10 less games even. Martin averaging the same or perhaps 5% more than redd in some categories this year means little to nothing when redd has been averaging more than that for years. Redd is now "on the decline" because for the first time in his career his scoring average dipped? Like i said, what about all the dips that every other star has had...were they on the decline? Somtimes yes, but more often than not the players bounce back.

2. You continue to try to argue about martin leading his team to x amount of victories as if he singlehandedly did it for the kings. You just cannot argue that as a fact because its something that cannot be proven due to all of the intangibbles and even tangibles such as coaching that is involved. About the only time you can use such an argument is when a player or coach is substituted in for another player or coach mid season, all other factors are the same, yet the outcome is drastically different after that player or coach arrives. George Karl a few years ago comes to mind.

3. How has redd set himself apart in this league? Ask basketball analysts, ask all the GMs who wanted him when he was a free agent.

4. You can call bs on the 5 years that im bringing up, but its only because you cant face cold hard facts. When were talking about two guys, and one guy has been putting up star numbers for years, is in the prime of his career, and the other guy had 60 games of 23 point ball, it doesnt take a rocket scientest to say that its too early to call the other guy better. Why would you bring shaq into the equation? are we talking about 45 year olds? Quit trying to twist my words as usual.

5. Havent back tracked and I wont. I say that the way you made it sound was a player who had beeen improving big time over a long period of time, not a bench player who has made the most out of his first opportunity to start for the last 2 years, or year and a half considering injuries. Theres a difference.

6. Your nonsense analysis is again faulty. You said flat out redd is on the decline. thats a bogus claim. Its as bogus as if i were to say he for sure is going to jump back to 26 points a game next year. Quit trying to make absolute statements when you have no idea what you are talking about. There is not a long list of people who are star 24-30 point a game players who go down one year before the age of 29, and never go back up again..dont try to twist the facts to say there are.

7. you say you disagree with my comment on lebron, stop lying. You are saying you equate what martin did this year to the kind of stardom that lebron, carmello and others did their first two years in the league? Please. That should show people what kind of side youre taking here, you inferring that we should be able to see smiliar stardom of martin that we see in guys like lebron, chris paul and more, despite martin not doing anything that spectacular yet.

You really shot yourself in the foot with so much of your arguments, instead of basing it on facts you based it off of twisting my words, and making bold faced statements on things that just cannot be proven due to its subjectivity, and lack of common logic. Oh well.

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