Outbound Transfers Catch-All Thread

[charliemike]

Originally Posted by Air Holland

I'm with you 100% on Gilliam's defensive issues and the general problems with the defensive scheme(s) UMBC has employed for the past few years.

You can get away with allowing opponents to shoot a high percentage if you limit opponents to one shot, and you can get away with allowing a few extra offensive rebounds if you contest shots well. UMBC is terrible at forcing bad shots AND rebounding missed shots (and UMBC also can't play defense without fouling, but that's separate).

But I don't expect any of those things to get better anytime soon, so if UMBC is going to win games it will have to be by outscoring the opponent, in which case CDLR really needs some help. Gilliam, warts and all, would be help.

Agreed. The conversation about what our team looks like next year is for a separate thread.

Gilliam would have helped, there's no doubt about that. So would have Shawn Grant. DLR, Gilliam, Grant, and Plummer is a pretty decent scoring foursome ... Even if the defense is atrocious, they'd be fun to watch.

[Air Holland]

Originally Posted by charliemike

Agreed. The conversation about what our team looks like next year is for a separate thread.

Gilliam would have helped, there's no doubt about that. So would have Shawn Grant. DLR, Gilliam, Grant, and Plummer is a pretty decent scoring foursome ... Even if the defense is atrocious, they'd be fun to watch.

That team would be playing games in the 70's and 80's... still probably losing a lot of those games, but there would be a lot of offense.

[UVM Hoop Cat]

It's funny, I haven't thought about Garvey Young since the off-season. I guess maybe for a second during the Q-Pac game.

I really wonder what he thinks about UVM's season thus far.

[VT Cats Fan]

Originally Posted by UVM Hoop Cat

It's funny, I haven't thought about Garvey Young since the off-season. I guess maybe for a second during the Q-Pac game.

I really wonder what he thinks about UVM's season thus far.

Who's Garvey Young?

[UVM Hoop Cat]

Josh Duell transferring home to Siena/new coach- I got that.
Ryan Schneider transferring home to Marist/new coach- I got that.
Joe Trapani transferring because he was too good to play in the AE- I got that.
Jason Green transferring down a level- I got that
Rob Sisca transferring...because he wasn't going to play and wasn't a D1 player- I got that
Jordan Clarke transferring- I got that (even though it bummed me out and I wish it worked out)

But Garvey Young, a sophomore but still two-year starter transferring to Quinnipiac right before his junior year and poised for a break out season/leader of the team- I don't think I'll ever understand that.

[BearlyLegal]

Originally Posted by UVM Hoop Cat

Josh Duell transferring home to Siena/new coach- I got that.
Ryan Schneider transferring home to Marist/new coach- I got that.
Joe Trapani transferring because he was too good to play in the AE- I got that.
Jason Green transferring down a level- I got that
Rob Sisca transferring...because he wasn't going to play and wasn't a D1 player- I got that
Jordan Clarke transferring- I got that (even though it bummed me out and I wish it worked out)

But Garvey Young, a sophomore but still two-year starter transferring to Quinnipiac right before his junior year and poised for a break out season/leader of the team- I don't think I'll ever understand that.

A source of mine told me last summer that he just flat out didn't like Lonergan and that Lonergan was too tough on him. It makes me think that he was soft a little bit.

[uvm4life20]

his game was pretty soft. he should of had way more rebounds for his athleticism. i can see how he didnt have the fire.

[Stuntman Rod Kimble]

Originally Posted by BearlyLegal

A source of mine told me last summer that [Garvey's dad] just flat out didn't like Lonergan and that [Garvey's dad thought] Lonergan was [not using Garvey enough on offense]. It makes me think that [Garvey's dad] a little bit [delusional about his son's talents].

Edited that for you. But I don't hold anything against Garvey. Good kid.

[charliemike]

Originally Posted by uvm4life20

his game was pretty soft. he should of had way more rebounds for his athleticism. i can see how he didnt have the fire.

With Fjeld, Blakely, etc last year where do you think he was going to get all those rebounds you assert he should have had?

He's a SG. Not a SF ... If he's getting more that four rebounds a night then someone else isn't doing their job. And since Fjeld and Blakely combined for about 15 of the 37 rebounds Vermont got a night, I don't know what you're thinking right now.

You want to bitch about someone being soft, talk about Maurice Joseph who played the 3 and got 1.5 rebounds a night less than Garvey did.

You must really annoy me if I'm defending Vermont players now.

[UVM Hoop Cat]

Yeah, should probably have prefaced my post in that I do know the reasons why and what caused Garvey to decide to transfer- I will just never understand how misguided it was.

[uvm4life20]

you have it wrong charliemike. Mojo played the two and garvey played the three. garvey is also atleast an inch taller than mojo and stronger with better hops. lonergan multiple times said he wanted garvey to rebound more. four rebounds is ok nothing special for one of the most athletic SF in the league. cdlr,holland,voelkel,ambrose,aronhalt,burton are all averaging more than four a game this year. Garvey did pick up his rebounding in conference play last year. He was averaging 3.5 before then. Garvey game should of excelled in rebounding and defense. He was only a great defender though. His offense wasnt good at all.

[uvm4life20]

how is mojo more of a small forward than garvey young also. i'm really confused by this. garvey may have guarded the opposing teams sg sometimes for match up reasons. as far as i know you would put the bigger,stronger,longer,taller guy at small forward.

[BingGrad]

An update on the infamous Devon McBride. I think the article actually undercounts his number of schools by a few. He is currently wearing his 4th different college uniform, playing his 3rd season of eligibility at the 4th college he has attended (he also signed a letter of intent at a 5th, but was released before attending classes).

Great line from his current coach.

"He's one of those guys who the AAU gobbles up, swallows and misguides, I wish I would have had him from the beginning."

The Reading Eagle

[UVM Hoop Cat]

Originally Posted by BingGrad

An update on the infamous Devon McBride. I think the article actually undercounts his number of schools by a few. He is currently wearing his 4th different college uniform, playing his 3rd season of eligibility at the 4th college he has attended (he also signed a letter of intent at a 5th, but was released before attending classes).

Great line from his current coach.



The Reading Eagle

Good find.

Wow.

[dnapolit]

I hadn't thought about Garvey since seeing him on the sidelines at the Q-Pac game. We could have really used his perimeter D on Sunday. It's too bad that things didn't work out for him at Vermont. I disagree that he was a soft competitor. He was a quiet competitor but that didn't make him soft. I also think that despite not being a go to player on offense he had something to offer in that department. In last year's Conference Championship he hit a couple very important threes in the first half. The most frustrating part of Garvey's transfer, in my opinion, is the way it was handled with the media. The BFP did a big article about Garvey's departure and his desire to be closer to his ailing Grandma in DC. Five months later he lands in Connecticut. If, in fact, that was not the real reason, as some have speculated. I wish he would have said he was leaving for personal reasons and left it at that. I'd rather have a non-answer than a half-truth.