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**El Shaqtus** · 01-17-2013, 12:34 PM

I have to say, the GDT I did with your fans during the Vermont game last year was a lot of fun. At that time, I didn't know how good we were or could be.

Best of luck to all AE teams...seems like this is a fun league to be around.

TerrierNation · 01-17-2013, 02:08 PM

I agree with the other posters. Northern schools aren't going to start leaving the A10 for the CAA or the AE for a few reasons. Even if the league is at 6-8 schools.

-Name brand as one poster mentioned
-Exit fees (it's not BE level, but forfeiting the money they are about to make from the departing Midwest group, plus paying their own way to leave for a lateral league makes little sense)
-The A10 is still a better basketball conference than the CAA (Joe's, Bonnie, LaSalle, URI are still better programs than the best of the CAA especially after Mason)
-Travel costs likely increase
-Barclay's contract is still in place for now along with a tv deal
-The chance to rebuild their league with their choice options is attractive. Why would they immediately jump ship?

I think perhaps Richmond could be talked out of that league. Maybe Fordham briefly considers the Patriot League. But yes, URI, Joe's, LaSalle, Bonnie, Fordham are likely content to invite the next best basketball schools which could include any of George Mason, Fairfield, Siena, Drexel, Hofstra, NU, BU, SBU, Davidson, Charleston. They may even consider Cleveland State to give Duquesne a pseudo Midwest rival.

If the CAA proves unpoachable, then they will just settle for Fairfield and Siena for now, which are readily available and a decent fit with them. You don't need a 12 team league anyway. 10 is fine. The CAA is a freakin mess though. Why on earth would George Mason not kick the door down to get out of there?

Rhett1 · 01-31-2013, 01:30 PM

New rumblings out of the SoCon: http://www.postandcourier.com/articl...ion&source=RSS

To summarize:
Already losing: College of Charleston
Expected to lose: Appalachian State, Georgia Southern
Reach expansion targets: Richmond, UNC-Wilmington
Expected targets: East Tennessee State, Mercer, VMI

Worth mentioning here because anything that may have an effect on the CAA/A-10 may have an effect on America East. It's also interesting to see a conference on about AE's level (SoCon is actually a bit higher due to having strong football league, but you get the idea) that's looking to make a move in the coming weeks.

**El Shaqtus** · 01-31-2013, 01:35 PM

Richmond is an interesting case.

Some of their fanbase thinks they will end up with the C7, but for the most part, they're looking at staying in the A-10. To the A-10's credit, they made a pre-emptive (albeit for 1 year) strike in getting Butler and VCU. I'd think they'd look to do the same yet again.

That said, the list of teams on the way out (or rumored so) of the A-10 is pretty long.
Temple, Charlotte, Dayton, Butler, Xavier, Saint Louis, UMass. One more team, and you'd have a pretty good conference of A-10 teams not in the A-10.

iBOsbu · 01-31-2013, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhett1

New rumblings out of the SoCon: http://www.postandcourier.com/articl...ion&source=RSS

To summarize:
Already losing: College of Charleston
Expected to lose: Appalachian State, Georgia Southern
Reach expansion targets: Richmond, UNC-Wilmington
Expected targets: East Tennessee State, Mercer, VMI

Worth mentioning here because anything that may have an effect on the CAA/A-10 may have an effect on America East. It's also interesting to see a conference on about AE's level (SoCon is actually a bit higher due to having strong football league, but you get the idea) that's looking to make a move in the coming weeks.

That's not gonna happen either. UNCW are very happy in CAA especially after lobbying for and getting CofC in the CAA.. they make good travel partners.

**El Shaqtus** · 01-31-2013, 01:43 PM

I guess the "reach" part has been pretty much wiped out.

Rhett1 · 01-31-2013, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Shaqtus

I guess the "reach" part has been pretty much wiped out.

SoCon's "reach" schools read similarly to AEC's "reach" schools. There's a dream that the CAA or A10 will totally collapse and a school will fall into their laps.

umainealum · 02-13-2013, 09:34 AM

UMKC leaving the Summit League for the WAC...strange.

http://http://www.midmajormadness.co...summit-for-wac

GoCatsGo · 02-13-2013, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umainealum

UMKC leaving the Summit League for the WAC...strange.

http://http://www.midmajormadness.co...summit-for-wac

Yeah, maybe there's some great "WAC Stability Plan" I missed, but...isn't this like getting off a lifeboat to get back on the sinking ship?

umainealum · 02-13-2013, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoCatsGo

Yeah, maybe there's some great "WAC Stability Plan" I missed, but...isn't this like getting off a lifeboat to get back on the sinking ship?

Yeah, I don't see how the WAC is any better than the Summit...I know some are leaving the Summit and their membership is very fluid, but jumping to a league that many thought was going to go out of business just doesn't make sense. Oh well...how much of this shifting really has made much sense anyway?

Rhett1 · 02-14-2013, 11:21 AM

That one shocked me. The western group of Summit schools (Kansas City, Omaha, South Dakota, SDSU and NDSU) are along one highway corridor and are similar sized and regarded ublic schools. They appeared to be in a good position to eventually add North Dakota to the group (Big Sky travel is horrifying), and add whatever Minnesota schools eventually move up (the state has several medium to large D-II publics). Weird.

umainealum · 02-14-2013, 04:24 PM

Here's something interesting...looks like Chicago State's AD thinks there will be some more shake up to the WAC:

http://www.midmajormadness.com/2013/...ce-realignment

Aceinthehole · 02-17-2013, 10:29 AM

In the never ending drama that is conference realignment, Siena is being mentioned to join the "Catholic 7" former Big East members.

Quote:

There has been a good deal of speculation about who the other schools in the new league might be since the Catholic 7 informed the Big East in December that they were leaving the floundering league. In all likelihood, four schools are virtual locks to be invited: Dayton, Xavier, Saint Louis and Butler. The first three are Catholic schools. DeGioia and friends would probably be willing to make an exception for Butler because the school has become a national basketball power and would make the league’s television package a good deal more lucrative.

The conference leaders want six eastern and six western — really, midwestern — schools. The eastern division of the league will consist of Georgetown, St. John’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence and either Richmond (also a non-Catholic school) or Siena — a late entry but a potentially appealing one because it’s a Catholic school that (more importantly) plays in a 15,500-seat arena in Albany, N.Y.

The western conference would consist of Marquette, DePaul, Saint Louis, Xavier, Dayton and Butler. If Butler decides not to leave the Atlantic 10 — which it joined only this season — or if the presidents decide to go with Catholic schools only, the University of Detroit Mercy would come into the picture. Creighton, another Catholic school considered a potential candidate, is considered too far west (Omaha, Neb.) for teams in non-revenue sports to travel.

If Xavier, Dayton, Saint Louis and Butler were to leave the Atlantic 10, it would be devastating for that conference, which would suddenly go from a 16-team league with a solid group of basketball schools to a 10-team league (Temple is leaving for the Big East and Charlotte for Conference USA after this season). It would still have Virginia Commonwealth, but no other school that has been a serious player on the national map in recent years.

Two Atlantic 10 teams that will not be asked to join the new league are Saint Joseph’s and La Salle, because Villanova would block any move to add another team from Philadelphia.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...06b_story.html

Redwyn · 02-17-2013, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aceinthehole

In the never ending drama that is conference realignment, Siena is being mentioned to join the "Catholic 7" former Big East members.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...06b_story.html

Siena to the Catholic league would be a huge blow to UAlbany's recruitment push. At the moment both schools generally fight for the same athletes. If Siena joins that league it won't be a contest if they offer, much like it's not much of a contest if St. John's is in on an SB recruit.

**El Shaqtus** · 02-17-2013, 10:44 AM

I wouldn't worry about the Feinstein article. Everybody has taken turns laughing at it.

01-17-2013, 12:34 PM	#1501 (permalink)
El Shaqtus KVBL's Resident Old Fart Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: St. Louis Metro Posts: 6,233 Rep Power: 1811986	Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming? I have to say, the GDT I did with your fans during the Vermont game last year was a lot of fun. At that time, I didn't know how good we were or could be. Best of luck to all AE teams...seems like this is a fun league to be around. __________________ Mom, thanks for everything. RIP Coach Rick Majerus 12/1/12. You were the one that said it was OK to think big at SLU. You were right. KVBL Lexington Kings 2023 KVBL Champions: St. Louis Warriors (El Shaqtus) 2026 KVBL First Loser

01-17-2013, 02:08 PM	#1502 (permalink)
TerrierNation Veteran Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,085 Rep Power: 7654	Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming? I agree with the other posters. Northern schools aren't going to start leaving the A10 for the CAA or the AE for a few reasons. Even if the league is at 6-8 schools. -Name brand as one poster mentioned -Exit fees (it's not BE level, but forfeiting the money they are about to make from the departing Midwest group, plus paying their own way to leave for a lateral league makes little sense) -The A10 is still a better basketball conference than the CAA (Joe's, Bonnie, LaSalle, URI are still better programs than the best of the CAA especially after Mason) -Travel costs likely increase -Barclay's contract is still in place for now along with a tv deal -The chance to rebuild their league with their choice options is attractive. Why would they immediately jump ship? I think perhaps Richmond could be talked out of that league. Maybe Fordham briefly considers the Patriot League. But yes, URI, Joe's, LaSalle, Bonnie, Fordham are likely content to invite the next best basketball schools which could include any of George Mason, Fairfield, Siena, Drexel, Hofstra, NU, BU, SBU, Davidson, Charleston. They may even consider Cleveland State to give Duquesne a pseudo Midwest rival. If the CAA proves unpoachable, then they will just settle for Fairfield and Siena for now, which are readily available and a decent fit with them. You don't need a 12 team league anyway. 10 is fine. The CAA is a freakin mess though. Why on earth would George Mason not kick the door down to get out of there?

01-31-2013, 01:30 PM	#1503 (permalink)
Rhett1 Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Maryland via New Hampshire Age: 30 Posts: 141 Rep Power: 1405	Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming? New rumblings out of the SoCon: http://www.postandcourier.com/articl...ion&source=RSS To summarize: Already losing: College of Charleston Expected to lose: Appalachian State, Georgia Southern Reach expansion targets: Richmond, UNC-Wilmington Expected targets: East Tennessee State, Mercer, VMI Worth mentioning here because anything that may have an effect on the CAA/A-10 may have an effect on America East. It's also interesting to see a conference on about AE's level (SoCon is actually a bit higher due to having strong football league, but you get the idea) that's looking to make a move in the coming weeks.

01-31-2013, 01:35 PM	#1504 (permalink)
El Shaqtus KVBL's Resident Old Fart Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: St. Louis Metro Posts: 6,233 Rep Power: 1811986	Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming? Richmond is an interesting case. Some of their fanbase thinks they will end up with the C7, but for the most part, they're looking at staying in the A-10. To the A-10's credit, they made a pre-emptive (albeit for 1 year) strike in getting Butler and VCU. I'd think they'd look to do the same yet again. That said, the list of teams on the way out (or rumored so) of the A-10 is pretty long. Temple, Charlotte, Dayton, Butler, Xavier, Saint Louis, UMass. One more team, and you'd have a pretty good conference of A-10 teams not in the A-10. __________________ Mom, thanks for everything. RIP Coach Rick Majerus 12/1/12. You were the one that said it was OK to think big at SLU. You were right. KVBL Lexington Kings 2023 KVBL Champions: St. Louis Warriors (El Shaqtus) 2026 KVBL First Loser

01-31-2013, 01:43 PM	#1506 (permalink)
El Shaqtus KVBL's Resident Old Fart Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: St. Louis Metro Posts: 6,233 Rep Power: 1811986	Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming? I guess the "reach" part has been pretty much wiped out. __________________ Mom, thanks for everything. RIP Coach Rick Majerus 12/1/12. You were the one that said it was OK to think big at SLU. You were right. KVBL Lexington Kings 2023 KVBL Champions: St. Louis Warriors (El Shaqtus) 2026 KVBL First Loser

02-13-2013, 09:34 AM	#1508 (permalink)
umainealum Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,409 Rep Power: 28923	Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming? UMKC leaving the Summit League for the WAC...strange. http://http://www.midmajormadness.co...summit-for-wac __________________ UMaine - the epitome of mediocrity Proud supporter of an AMERICA EAST team that made a coaching change...

02-14-2013, 11:21 AM	#1511 (permalink)
Rhett1 Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Maryland via New Hampshire Age: 30 Posts: 141 Rep Power: 1405	Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming? That one shocked me. The western group of Summit schools (Kansas City, Omaha, South Dakota, SDSU and NDSU) are along one highway corridor and are similar sized and regarded ublic schools. They appeared to be in a good position to eventually add North Dakota to the group (Big Sky travel is horrifying), and add whatever Minnesota schools eventually move up (the state has several medium to large D-II publics). Weird.

02-14-2013, 04:24 PM	#1512 (permalink)
umainealum Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,409 Rep Power: 28923	Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming? Here's something interesting...looks like Chicago State's AD thinks there will be some more shake up to the WAC: http://www.midmajormadness.com/2013/...ce-realignment __________________ UMaine - the epitome of mediocrity Proud supporter of an AMERICA EAST team that made a coaching change...

02-17-2013, 10:44 AM	#1515 (permalink)
El Shaqtus KVBL's Resident Old Fart Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: St. Louis Metro Posts: 6,233 Rep Power: 1811986	Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming? I wouldn't worry about the Feinstein article. Everybody has taken turns laughing at it. __________________ Mom, thanks for everything. RIP Coach Rick Majerus 12/1/12. You were the one that said it was OK to think big at SLU. You were right. KVBL Lexington Kings 2023 KVBL Champions: St. Louis Warriors (El Shaqtus) 2026 KVBL First Loser

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