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Old 04-22-2010, 01:41 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

One issue with the ACC scenario. Gene DeFillipo of BC is still furious with UConn for the law suit after BC left Big East and will do anything he can to stop this, although he may change his mind if the payoff is big enough. After all, BC stands for Bring Cash.
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Darn right! This could be one time that America East actually benefits from being tucked away in the Northeast corner with a relatively small footprint.

I think that the Big Ten and Big East are about to go to war against each other. It's obvious that the Big East is now in survival mode, and that it is looking like they have ditched any thoughts of splitting.

Here are my scenarios for the Big Ten and Big East:

Scenario A: Big Ten goes to 16 schools

Syracuse
Rutgers
Penn State
Pitt
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana

Notre Dame
Northwestern
Purdue
Illinois
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Missouri

Then:

ACC Expands to 16 schools:

BC
UConn
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
ODU
Louisville
NC State

North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia State
Florida State
South Florida
Miami

Then the SEC expands to 16 schools:

West Virginia
Cincinnati
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Memphis
South Carolina
Georgia

Florida
Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Arkansas
Houston

The Big East regroups as a 12 team basketball conference:

Boston U.
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
St. Joe's

Georgetown
George Washington
Dayton
Xavier
DePaul
Marquette

Meanwhile........

The PAC-10 goes to 12 schools:

Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Cal
Stanford

UCLA
USC
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Utah

Then the Big 12 takes in 2 to replace Missouri and Colorado:

Nebraska
Kansas State
Kansas
Iowa State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Rice
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

So.......Mountain West and WAC survivors (plus Long Beach State) form:

Boise State
Idaho
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
Utah State
New Mexico
New Mexico State

BYU
San Jose State
Fresno State
Nevada
UNLV
Long Beach State
San Diego State
Hawaii



Phew!......to be continued.
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Old 04-22-2010, 01:44 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Although I do think BU getting a Big East call over the likes of Siena or George Mason is highly unlikely
BU is very well positioned for the scenario that I presented (an all private school hoops league). What would the league rather have......a world renown university with a solid athletic program in the Boston market......or a small Catholic school with a very weak athletic program in Albany??? Siena......you're outta here!

George Mason?......nope. GW will be chosen over them as Georgetown's "travel partner". Travel budgets will be a very big consideration for this relatively widespread league which is why I have 6 pairs of travel partners.
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

Well, you're leaving out a few pretty decent named schools here

So let me propose what might happen to the rest

Hybrid Mid-Major conference w/Football (15 members + 1 affiliate)
North
Stony Brook
Fordham
Albany
Maine
U Mass
UNH
Rhode Island
Delaware
Villanova (football only)

South
Richmond
James Madison
Towson
William & Mary
Charlotte
Georgia State
Liberty
South Carolina State

Basketball Only Mid-Major Conference: (14 members)

Vermont
UMBC
Hartford
Temple/Boston Univ (I think Temple goes, not BU, since Temple has football)
Saint Louis
Duquesne
St. Bonaventure
Northeastern
George Mason
VCU
Drexel
Hofstra
UNC Wilmington
Binghamton

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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

As you read this - I'd like to point out that many of the FCS football forums already project that this is what the football re-alignment will look like.

Frankly, I kinda like the way these divisions look. Infinitely more competitive on both ends. Nearly certain that the auto-bid of these conferences (both football and non-football) would avoid the "dreaded" play-in game, regardless of how many of them there are. I'd even make a case that they'd be more competitive in basketball than the WAC, Mountain West, and the basketball-only Big East.
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Binghamton couldn't have picked a worse time for its athletic department to be a national embarrassment.
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Binghamton couldn't have picked a worse time for its athletic department to be a national embarrassment.
They may truly have missed the boat to be somewhere they'd prosper. However, regardless they wouldn't have made the move to the big 6, so I'd say they're gonna end up the same place no matter what.
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

Ahh it is like the right of spring for this post lol. Looking forward to see where people put UNH!
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My bad, UNH def going with the football schools
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

I sure hope Mike Lynch is preparing a strong case when the dominoes do fall. I don't see any way BU lands as high as that MaineJeff, unless a conference is completely basing it off markets and really want a team Boston. It'll be interesting to see what happens with GW, Richmond and similar teams. I think that's where BU wants to be.
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I am not completely unhappy with Redwyn's conference for UMBC.

Selfishly, because it means I can see us play locally more often.
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I sure hope Mike Lynch is preparing a strong case when the dominoes do fall. I don't see any way BU lands as high as that MaineJeff, unless a conference is completely basing it off markets and really want a team Boston. It'll be interesting to see what happens with GW, Richmond and similar teams. I think that's where BU wants to be.
I don't think Richmond and BU will end up in the same conference on football grounds alone. Now true, football conference on the FCS level isn't necessarily other sport conference (Stony Brook stands as the perfect example), but I see a shift ending those discrepancies.
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As a joint BU and Louisville fan, this is a dicey situation for me. On one hand I want this because I think it'll take dominoes falling for BU to ever get into a conference like the A-10. The Big East? Doubt that will ever happen.

As far as Louisville goes, I think both them and Cincy are pretty f***** if this goes down as expected. They're both schools with smaller influences because their fanbases are limited to their respective cities in states dominated by the major state school. Cincinnati football's come a long way, but their basketball team's also fallen a long way in the same time. Louisville basketball is an institution in college hoops, and if this was all happening a few years back when Cardinal football was a BCS bowl champion, I'd be feeling a lot better. But alas, they've fallen too.

I see Louisville being excluded from the ACC largely because of academics and because their home state's not technically on the Atlantic Coast. Kentucky will stiff them from the SEC, so the Big 12 might honestly be the best option for them, if they're even invited. Looks like it could be Conference USA 2.0 all over again for Louisville and Cincinnati
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Why would the Big East need to go to 12 without football?
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As a joint BU and Louisville fan, this is a dicey situation for me. On one hand I want this because I think it'll take dominoes falling for BU to ever get into a conference like the A-10. The Big East? Doubt that will ever happen.

As far as Louisville goes, I think both them and Cincy are pretty f***** if this goes down as expected. They're both schools with smaller influences because their fanbases are limited to their respective cities in states dominated by the major state school. Cincinnati football's come a long way, but their basketball team's also fallen a long way in the same time. Louisville basketball is an institution in college hoops, and if this was all happening a few years back when Cardinal football was a BCS bowl champion, I'd be feeling a lot better. But alas, they've fallen too.

I see Louisville being excluded from the ACC largely because of academics and because their home state's not technically on the Atlantic Coast. Kentucky will stiff them from the SEC, so the Big 12 might honestly be the best option for them, if they're even invited. Looks like it could be Conference USA 2.0 all over again for Louisville and Cincinnati
I'm with Kingfish here.

I've been trying to do some "superconference ramafication" scenarios as well, and the schools that I consistently can't find homes for are Louisville and Cincy.

Neither TV market brings much to the table. Both schools are second in their respective states behind UK and Ohio State (and you could argue Cincy also has its fair share of UK fans due to geography) - and unless Louisville basketball is enough of a draw for an ACC (which the ACC may do to get into an SEC state), they may wind up in Conference USA Redux.
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It's hard to develop rivalries in superconference scenarios like this.
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