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Old 04-05-2017, 12:27 PM   #3586 (permalink)
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The MVC is going the way of the C-USA and the WAC. It's only a matter of time before this trickles down to the Horizon/CAA level.
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That's a huge basketball win for that conference. Will be crazy travel for Wichita.
I dunno, including Wichita, and if you include Cincinnati (which is basically on the Indiana border), there will be seven schools in the middle of the country. Wichita, Cincinnati, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, SMU, Houston.

Then two Florida schools, two northeast schools (UConn and Temple) and East Carolina. The conference as a whole is spread out, but Wichita can afford the travel and it isn't as bad as UConn's travel.

And now when Wichita wins 30 games they will be a 4 or 5 seed instead of 9 or 10, without getting any better as a team. Funny how that happens.
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The Missouri Valley still has some decent programs though they aren't consistent.

Illinois State, Northern Iowa, Evansville, Indiana State, and Bradley have all been good but I think with the Shockers leaving this conference is probably a toss up between Illinois State and a rebounding Northern Iowa under Ben Jacobsen. But those other three programs all have the resources to win the league.

I could see the Valley poaching a Horizon League team like Valpo. Most of the other conferences make sense regionally.
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I dunno, including Wichita, and if you include Cincinnati (which is basically on the Indiana border), there will be seven schools in the middle of the country. Wichita, Cincinnati, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, SMU, Houston.
Except Indiana isn't exactly in the middle of the country (I think you can get to the Maine border from Indianapolis in about 16 hours or so by car) and Cincinnati is just about the same distance from Wichita as it is from Storrs. But yes, the others aren't really that bad. My guess is they will split into an East/West for scheduling purposes.

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And now when Wichita wins 30 games they will be a 4 or 5 seed instead of 9 or 10, without getting any better as a team. Funny how that happens.
Wichita hasn't really had a problem with seeding until this year, when they really didn't have any good wins. Their best non-conference wins were probably LSU, Colorado State and Oklahoma, none of which were really noteworthy. That was their undoing.

2006 - 7 seed
No tourney appearances again until...
2012 - 5 seed
2013 - 9 seed
2014 - 1 seed
2015 - 7 seed
2016 - 11 seed (finished with 26 wins)
2017 - 10 seed

Seems as though those are pretty strong seeds for a team out of the Missouri Valley. It took Gonzaga quite a while to get consistently good seeds but then again, they have been beating Power 5 teams in the non-conference season at a regular clip as well. They are still in the West Coast Conference so that hasn't been an issue for them.
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I could see the Valley poaching a Horizon League team like Valpo. Most of the other conferences make sense regionally.
There are a few that would be on interest to them: Valpo, IUPUI, Milwaukee, Green Bay (though maybe too much of an outlier?), Omaha, maybe Central Arkansas or Little Rock (both are affiliates for other sports). Western Kentucky would be a good fit for hoops but their football program would need a home.
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And now when Wichita wins 30 games they will be a 4 or 5 seed instead of 9 or 10, without getting any better as a team. Funny how that happens.
Will be far more difficult for them to do that now coming from a Creighton-less MVC. Of course, that's as long as existing members stay.

I foresee as a byproduct of this move it will cause Gregg Marshall to think longer and harder about taking over a big time program, and will probably speed up that process. Does any sitting basketball coach like being in the AAC? I don't think many do- especially when move was made for football. It's well known that Kevin Ollie hates it, and being in the AAC is killing UConn.
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The Missouri Valley still has some decent programs though they aren't consistent.

Illinois State, Northern Iowa, Evansville, Indiana State, and Bradley have all been good but I think with the Shockers leaving this conference is probably a toss up between Illinois State and a rebounding Northern Iowa under Ben Jacobsen. But those other three programs all have the resources to win the league.

I could see the Valley poaching a Horizon League team like Valpo. Most of the other conferences make sense regionally.
Yeah, all those schools have been good at one time or another stretching a long period. I guess Illinois State more recently, certainly Northern Iowa and Bradley. But losing Wichita State and Creighton is a lot like CAA losing VCU and George Mason, and we know how that story has been for the CAA.

Adding Valpo would be the first school I'd call. Great potential replacement.
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Will be far more difficult for them to do that now coming from a Creighton-less MVC. Of course, that's as long as existing members stay.

I foresee as a byproduct of this move it will cause Gregg Marshall to think longer and harder about taking over a big time program, and will probably speed up that process. Does any sitting basketball coach like being in the AAC? I don't think many do- especially when move was made for football. It's well known that Kevin Ollie hates it, and being in the AAC is killing UConn.
Kenpom still had Wichita in the top 10 all year. They'll be fine.

UConn's other conference "option" (and who knows if it is really on the table) is a multi-bid Big East. It's one thing to pine for a local league with multiple bids. It's another to pine for a one bid MVC. At least Gonzaga has St. Mary's and (usually) BYU as a foil. Wichita State has an Illinois State that can't get an at large at their high water mark.
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Kenpom still had Wichita in the top 10 all year. They'll be fine.

UConn's other conference "option" (and who knows if it is really on the table) is a multi-bid Big East. It's one thing to pine for a local league with multiple bids. It's another to pine for a one bid MVC. At least Gonzaga has St. Mary's and (usually) BYU as a foil. Wichita State has an Illinois State that can't get an at large at their high water mark.
Didn't UConn leave the Big East fairly recently?
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Kenpom still had Wichita in the top 10 all year. They'll be fine.

UConn's other conference "option" (and who knows if it is really on the table) is a multi-bid Big East. It's one thing to pine for a local league with multiple bids. It's another to pine for a one bid MVC. At least Gonzaga has St. Mary's and (usually) BYU as a foil. Wichita State has an Illinois State that can't get an at large at their high water mark.
Didn't UConn leave the Big East fairly recently?
They got left behind when the non-FBS schools left and bought the name. I can see them leaving AAC except in football, and taking everything else back to the Big East.
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They got left behind when the non-FBS schools left and bought the name. I can see them leaving AAC except in football, and taking everything else back to the Big East.
If they could find a football conference willing to take their football team only, they would be gone in a New York minute. Problem is, that program by itself really doesn't bring much to the table for a conference.
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Not moving the needle in any way, but Savannah State is moving back down to Division II after 17 years in D1. So, the MEAC goes from 13 to 12 teams. Second MEAC team in 7 years to drop down. Winston-Salem State did in 2010. It's been a really rough go for HBCUs, unfortunately.

https://theundefeated.com/features/s...a-division-ii/
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Not moving the needle in any way, but Savannah State is moving back down to Division II after 17 years in D1. So, the MEAC goes from 13 to 12 teams. Second MEAC team in 7 years to drop down. Winston-Salem State did in 2010. It's been a really rough go for HBCUs, unfortunately.

https://theundefeated.com/features/s...a-division-ii/
I think this will be the second time they have done this since I was going in college.
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I think this will be the second time they have done this since I was going in college.
Looks like they only did it once, came up in 2002 from DII:

"For 29 years, Savannah State athletic teams played in the SIAC before the school moved up to Division I as an Independent in 2002.

In 2010, SSU joined the MEAC."

http://savannahnow.com/local-college...wn-division-ii

I can't recall where I saw it, but it was something related to coaching news because Coppin State has an opening, but apparently, Coppin is evaluating going down to Division II as well which is scaring off candidates for its opening. Then, there's Chicago State, while not a HBCU, it is 70% black students, and that school is in danger of closing, and it would not be shocking if athletics were downgraded or dropped altogether. And, Chicago State is traveling to California, Arizona, Utah, Washington, Texas, and New Mexico to play games. I don't see that being financially feasible for them much longer.

A lot of people are here talking about the definition between mid major and low major all without considering it's really nice that the teams we support even play Division I and can keep it viable. Saddening that many MEAC and SWAC schools struggle, and have to make decisions like this.
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While Coppin does struggle financially, and doesn't act like a DI school, they do have a pretty good history in basketball (holding onto that 20 year upset over South Carolina in the NCAA Tournament), it actually does seem strange for Coppin to not be in DI. Their games against Morgan usually are attended pretty well, even if not other game is.

The problem Coppin has is that their entire athletic department is funded by sending their men's basketball team all over the country, since they don't seem to have boosters, though I have to wonder where that money goes to. They tend to have more guarantee games than other teams, but aside their new gym opening up a few years ago, they don't do much else with it. No radio, no video streaming, no money-draining programs like football. Seriously, I've always wondered where a school who's men's basketball team usually racks up 9 or 10 guarantee games does with that money.
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