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Old 06-04-2010, 03:53 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

The one program that could really be screwed by this BIG12/PAC10 thing is Kansas. I can see the other schools in the Big12 ending up in the MWC, but Kansas basketball? That would make a mess of their storied basketball program.
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The one program that could really be screwed by this BIG12/PAC10 thing is Kansas. I can see the other schools in the Big12 ending up in the MWC, but Kansas basketball? That would make a mess of their storied basketball program.
Perhaps Kansas would be a logical move for the SEC? Would create a great rivalry for several of their programs.
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

I really doubt Kansas would move into the SEC...but honestly the SEC expanding is really stupid. The PAC-10 is making a great move by expending to get more territory and they forced everybody's hand. Their move gives them the major media markets of Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland, Phoenix, Denver, and all of Texas and Oklahoma. The Big Ten's expansion helps their football programs and gives them move territory in the Midwest and move in the New York Pittsburgh Markets. Those are both very good financial moves. While it had to be at the Big 12's expense, so be it. But it seems to me that the SEC's contingency plan is purely just because everybody else is doing it. They started to consider the expansion when the Big Ten mentioned it. At that time they were targeting Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St. That makes sense financially, but with that obviously out now they are apparently aiming for the four ACC schools to get to 16. This literally does nothing but make things worse. Those four schools are already in states that have SEC schools and are actually considered SEC states. By adding them it forces the ACC to add a few schools (South Florida to keep at least some of the Florida Market) Connecticut adds a team for Boston College to be with and adds to the northeast market...and then they add Louisville and Memphis to get inside the country a little more. That leaves Cincinnati and West Virginia joining out of necessity while Temple and ECU just see good opportunities (Temple also gives the ACC the Philly market).

If the SEC reconsiders a fairly nonsensical expansion it could just make for the Big East to be Connecticut, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, South Florida, Temple, Memphis and ECU to make it 8 teams in football. O well, only time will tell how things play out but from what I've seen many people think that once the PAC-10 meetings are over everything is going to kick off because both the PAC 10 and Big 12 have their TV contracts up at the end of the season and need to make a decision on it now
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Perhaps Kansas would be a logical move for the SEC? Would create a great rivalry for several of their programs.
Kansas really does get a raw deal in this but I'm not going to say they move WAAY down. Losing Texas hurts them for sure but Texas Tech, Colorado, and Nebraska aren't good at all...TAMU, Oklahoma St, and Missouri are replaceable...and Oklahoma is very inconsistent. It would be worse if K-State left but they get a very good up and coming New Mexico Team...BYU, Air Force, San Diego State, UNLV, and Utah are consistently fairly good...Colorado St. is inconsistent but I don't think it's too raw of a deal. Texas can't be replaced but I'd be willing to say that right now New Mexico is as good as TAMU, BYU can replace Oklahoma St...UNLV is probably near the same level as Missouri...and Air Force and Utah are decent consolations for Oklahoma and Texas Tech. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go for a team like Butler for basktball purposed to strengthen the conference...they it's not a great geographic fit. Houston could be a possibility because they have football.
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Kansas really does get a raw deal in this but I'm not going to say they move WAAY down. Losing Texas hurts them for sure but Texas Tech, Colorado, and Nebraska aren't good at all...
From a pure quality of basketball perspective, I agree, not a huge step down. But I think where they lose is in recruiting McDonald's All-American type players. Why would a high school top 10 player pick that MWC league over the new superPAC10 with bigtime TV exposure? I think the quality of Kansas recruits would fall off. Time will tell, but if I was a Kansas fan I would be really nervous.... You can see why teams want to be proactive about jumping conferences even if they are happy with their current league. If you sit on your hands too long, you are left on the outside looking in. It's a game of poker. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

What do people on the board feel the changes at the High major leagues will affect the Aeast? Will we see any changes? I would love to see us add another program for an even number of teams. I've always thought CCSU would be a nice fit but just my opinion.
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

honestly I"m not sure too much will happen. With the big east down to eight teams I could see them just go back to their roots are a conference of private Catholic Schools in urban Areas. If they just want to get up to 12 teams I'd definitely see just a move on St. Joseph's, Xavier, Dayton, and Saint Louis. But if they decide to get back to 16 that would mean St. Bonaventure, La Salle, Fordham and Duquesne or possibly a Siena somewhere. Obviously either one would really hurt the A-10.

If that happens I see they tearing apart the CAA for teams but I also see Boston U leaving and honestly thats all I see happening for the America East unless Stony Brook or something decides to jump ship and move up. But if Boston U leaves that gives the conference eight and it doesn't force them to get a lacrosse school just to keep the AQ. Therefor I wouldn't see any more change to the AEC.

Now if Binghamton actually does decide to get out of Division I (Which I really don't think will happen) or Stony Brook or somebody else leaves (which I also don't see happening) I don't think CCSU would be the top choice of a new team because the AEC really needs that AQ in lacrosse and they wouldn't give us enough teams. I could see like Drexel (who all of you seem to hate) or maybe Quinnipiac just to get the AEC back up to six teams in lacrosse to get the AQ
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honestly I"m not sure too much will happen. With the big east down to eight teams I could see them just go back to their roots are a conference of private Catholic Schools in urban Areas. If they just want to get up to 12 teams I'd definitely see just a move on St. Joseph's, Xavier, Dayton, and Saint Louis. But if they decide to get back to 16 that would mean St. Bonaventure, La Salle, Fordham and Duquesne or possibly a Siena somewhere. Obviously either one would really hurt the A-10.

If that happens I see they tearing apart the CAA for teams but I also see Boston U leaving and honestly thats all I see happening for the America East unless Stony Brook or something decides to jump ship and move up. But if Boston U leaves that gives the conference eight and it doesn't force them to get a lacrosse school just to keep the AQ. Therefor I wouldn't see any more change to the AEC.

Now if Binghamton actually does decide to get out of Division I (Which I really don't think will happen) or Stony Brook or somebody else leaves (which I also don't see happening) I don't think CCSU would be the top choice of a new team because the AEC really needs that AQ in lacrosse and they wouldn't give us enough teams. I could see like Drexel (who all of you seem to hate) or maybe Quinnipiac just to get the AEC back up to six teams in lacrosse to get the AQ
Knowing painfully little about the athletics situation, but knowing SBU's ambition - what's your logic about us staying put?
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

Honestly Its purely that SBU just came in and have had one year of success...I wouldn't be shocked to see stony brook move up idk maybe
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

With the NCAA tournament expanding to 68 teams ( a couple more AQ's available in theory) and the possibility that mega leagues at the power level might result in a mid level league or two disappearing or completely revamping, I think the possibility for some new alignments to form in the Northeast because there will be no issue of an AQ for hoop unavailable for two years. From my UNH perspective, I truly hope that a football centric alignment evolves. And I guess I have to hope that the CAA implodes in some way shape or form. It could be a few schools moving up to the FBS level or it could be a few schools opting for a basketball centric league with a more Northeast footprint. The "critical mass" of full scholarship FCS Football is even smaller now without Northeastern and Hofstra.

I can easily see BU, NU, Hofstra, Drexel, UMass, URI, and others forming a new association whether it's a new version of the A-10 or a new name. I've expressed critical factors in an earlier post about JMU, ODU, GMU, VCU, UMass, Stony Brook, Delaware, Temple, etc. Add in the scholarship issue facing the Patriot League and you could see some re-alignment in our region. By the way the_dawg, FCS Football is also D-I so there is more impact than you outlined yesterday. Anyway, if the Patriot League doesn't offer a level of scholarships that placates Fordham, then I assume they look for a new football home. Will they also look for a new all sports home? There are many within the A-10 community that are not pleased with Fordham (or the Bonnies and maybe a couple of others).

Another new issue arising is that the MEAC might align their football champion with the Heritage Bowl facing the SWAC champion. Many of their supporters prefer participating in the NCAA FCS National Championship Playoffs over a bowl game. Might that push Delaware State, Morgan State (Baltimore), Howard (DC), South Carolina State, Hampton (VA), Norfolk State (VA), etc. to seek membership in a non-HBCU league?

I'd have to say there are many, many possibilities for the Conference Expansion/Implosion to trickle down to AE!
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Knowing painfully little about the athletics situation, but knowing SBU's ambition - what's your logic about us staying put?
If everything hits the fan in the next couple of years, does SBU have the finances to go along with their ambition? (Serious question, not a slam.) It appears that a window of opportunity is in the immediate future. Will SBU be able to convince potential conference mates that the basketball arena renovation will be completed soon, that LaValle Stadium will have another say 10K seats within five years and that you'll be able to fund 44 additional scholarships (22 for football and 22 for women's sports to remain Title IX Compliant)? McGuirk Stadium at UMass has 17K seats today, The Tub at Delaware has 22K seats today, Temple has an agreement to play at the Linc, etc. They all have the capacity to achieve the FBS attendance standards (generally speaking, average 15K).
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Knowing painfully little about the athletics situation, but knowing SBU's ambition - what's your logic about us staying put?
Actually the more I think about it the less I'm thinking SBU would leave. Look at it this way, aside from basketball what is SBU's strongest sport? Lacrosse. Them, Albany, and Binghamton wouldn't leave each other, especially for the A-10 that doesn't have lacrosse.

As my BOR hypothesized (Not saying I exactly believe it) to me he said if anything were to happen then the New England AEC schools would join together with the the northeastern A-10 and CAA schools that are left over, so take the extreme of the eight catholic schools going to the Big East, that would make for:

Conference 1:
UMASS
Rhode Island
New Hampshire
Vermont
Boston U
Hartford
Maine
Northeastern
Hofstra

Conference 2: (Lacrosse emphasis)
Albany
Binghamton
Stony Brook
UMBC
Delaware
Drexel
Towson
George Washington
Georga Mason

Conference 3:
Georgia St.
William and Mary
James Madison
NC Wilmington
VCU
Old Dominion
Charlotte
Richmond

But back to my point. I don't think SBU would shoot themselves in the footb by killing their lacrosse and soccer by parting ways with Binghamton, Albany, Stony Brook, and UMBC based off just one good year.
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Conference 1:
UMASS
Rhode Island
New Hampshire
Vermont
Boston U
Hartford
Maine
Northeastern
Hofstra

Conference 2: (Lacrosse emphasis)
Albany
Binghamton
Stony Brook
UMBC
Delaware
Drexel
Towson
George Washington
Georga Mason

Conference 3:
Georgia St.
William and Mary
James Madison
NC Wilmington
VCU
Old Dominion
Charlotte
Richmond
So you're creating three conferences of which only the third has enough football-playing teams to qualify for an autobid. Good luck getting Delaware joining with Albany, SBU and Towson.
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So you're creating three conferences of which only the third has enough football-playing teams to qualify for an autobid. Good luck getting Delaware joining with Albany, SBU and Towson.
does anybody really play in their DI- FCS conference anyway? it really doesn't matter outside of DI- FBS. I'm talking lacrosse emphasis in a conference...and as noted its mostly a lacrosse move. These are good geographic and institutional fits for all the teams involved and good athletic fits with the exception of football. Basically what I'm saying is the A-10 is going to get wrecked and that is going to lead to the CAA getting wrecked, with the America East being the only real public school conference in the area its going to lead to some change their are well.
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So you're creating three conferences of which only the third has enough football-playing teams to qualify for an autobid. Good luck getting Delaware joining with Albany, SBU and Towson.
So take out Delaware and add in Longwood, who is desperate to join a conference but has been repeatedly denied membership by just about every conference in the eastern US.

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