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Old 11-29-2012, 10:29 AM   #1306 (permalink)
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To just follow-up on our conversation...

I spoke to a good friend of mine that works at DePaul in athletics...turns out that there is a growing angst & concern about what remains of the Big East. They are pretty much joined at the hip with Marquette and he indicated there had been some conversations by the higher ups amongst the 2 but he had no idea what was involved. He did add that there is some concern about "getting left behind" and ending up in something like the Missouri Valley...not that that is a bad league, but it's a far cry from what they were/are used to.

The other interesting thing he mentioned was the growing negative public perception of the Big East. He indicated that there is a lot of concern about that and how it's going to affect ticket sales, ad revenue, marketing, etc. Let's face it, it's a lot harder to sell home hoops games vs SMU, Houston, Tulane and Central Florida than it is vs Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame and Louisville.

Just food for thought...
The basketball schools just got too greedy by hitching their horses to the GOLDEN football. They knew that this stuff was coming for a few years now...........they need to cut the umbilical cord NOW. There is no reason why the Big East can't continue to be an AWESOME hoops + Olympic sports league. No, the BIG money won't be there.......but they will still get some pretty good revenue based on the size of their markets and program visibility. But time is running out. If the sh*t hits the fan in the ACC........they might swoop in and steal St. John's, G-town, and Nova and then it's game over for the remaining members with the A-10 taking the bets of the leftovers (who woulda thunk THAT a few years ago!)

The A-10 is sitting pretty......for now. As long as football continues to rule the Big East, the A-10 is safe........and might be on the verge of flourishing. If I were DePaul and Marquette, I'd have the A-10 on speed dial.......that is their next best option IMO.
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I was thinking about that for Maryland as well....yes the Big Ten will have marquee hoop names- but no more Duke and North Carolina games must have their fans going absolutely nuts. There is nothing that the Big Ten will offer them that will be close to comparable.
Maybe not rabid rivalry wise........but Indiana and Ohio State are not chopped liver.
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The basketball schools just got too greedy by hitching their horses to the GOLDEN football. They knew that this stuff was coming for a few years now...........they need to cut the umbilical cord NOW. There is no reason why the Big East can't continue to be an AWESOME hoops + Olympic sports league. No, the BIG money won't be there.......but they will still get some pretty good revenue based on the size of their markets and program visibility. But time is running out. If the sh*t hits the fan in the ACC........they might swoop in and steal St. John's, G-town, and Nova and then it's game over for the remaining members with the A-10 taking the bets of the leftovers (who woulda thunk THAT a few years ago!)

The A-10 is sitting pretty......for now. As long as football continues to rule the Big East, the A-10 is safe........and might be on the verge of flourishing. If I were DePaul and Marquette, I'd have the A-10 on speed dial.......that is their next best option IMO.

But how big does the A-10 want to get? I'm trying to remember what their membership is going to be after this year and I think this is right:

Butler
Dayton
Duquesne
Fordham
GW
LaSalle
UMass
Rhode Island
Richmond
St. Bonaventure
St. Joe's
St. Louis
VCU
Xavier

They lose Temple & Charlotte...so if I'm not missing anything, they will be at 14. I could see them going to 16 with DePaul/Marquette...heck, that would really make divisions perfect:

Butler
Dayton
DePaul
Duguesne
Marquette
St. Bonaventure
St. Louis
Xavier

Fordham
GW
LaSalle
UMass
Rhode Island
Richmond
St. Joe's
VCU
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:03 AM   #1309 (permalink)
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But how big does the A-10 want to get? I'm trying to remember what their membership is going to be after this year and I think this is right:

Butler
Dayton
Duquesne
Fordham
GW
LaSalle
UMass
Rhode Island
Richmond
St. Bonaventure
St. Joe's
St. Louis
VCU
Xavier

They lose Temple & Charlotte...so if I'm not missing anything, they will be at 14. I could see them going to 16 with DePaul/Marquette...heck, that would really make divisions perfect:

Butler
Dayton
DePaul
Duguesne
Marquette
St. Bonaventure
St. Louis
Xavier

Fordham
GW
LaSalle
UMass
Rhode Island
Richmond
St. Joe's
VCU
Yeah, I think that 16 is the limit.........and DePaul and Marquette would fit in perfectly for a divisional set-up and deliver the Chicago and Milwaukee markets.
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

On a side note, if UMass doesn't find a new football home (with some natural rivals (UConn, Temple, BC, etc) after this is all said and done..........I don't see how an FBS program is sustainable for them.
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On a side note, if UMass doesn't find a new football home (with some natural rivals (UConn, Temple, BC, etc) after this is all said and done..........I don't see how an FBS program is sustainable for them.

I meant to mention them...yeah, they are in a pretty precarious situation right now as well. In reality, what football league could they possibly go to? They don't bring much of anything to the table at the FBS level...in a few years, it could look like they wasted a huge chunk of money to upgrade just to have to drop back down.

Lastly, I know all this shuffling of conferences is crazy, hard to track and just flat out ridiculous, but I can't help but find it fascinating. It's kind of like a train wreck...you know it's horrible but you just can't take your eyes off it.
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Maybe not rabid rivalry wise........but Indiana and Ohio State are not chopped liver.
That's what I'm getting at....Indiana, Ohio State, Wisco, Michigan and Michigan State are all marquee names...but how long will it take to develop a rivalry like Maryland fans felt for Duke/UNC....years.

*Maybe* Maryland can develop a rivalry with Indiana since they played each other in National Championship game back in 2001 w/ Juan Dixon & Jared Jeffries...maybe. Geographically there's just so little in common for Maryland in Big Ten..maybe some of the kids know people at Michigan, maybe Wisco....but all the people they probably know that went to Duke, UNC, Virginia, Virginia Tech, BC, etc.

It's funny- reading across the web, most Maryland fans are PISSED about this move..anecdotally have read so many posts of alums stating they are no longer donating......and reading Big Ten fans response to adding Maryland and Rutgers...PISSED. Especially Rutgers lol....nobody wants Rutgers.

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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

Looks like C of C to the CAA may happen today (or soon)...........

http://news.cofc.edu/2012/11/29/boar...ing/#more-5636

Also App State and Georgia Southern to Sunbelt rumors are swirling.........as well as JMU to the MAC.

Seems like stuff is starting to hit a little bit closer to home.
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Looks like C of C to the CAA may happen today (or soon)...........

http://news.cofc.edu/2012/11/29/boar...ing/#more-5636

Also App State and Georgia Southern to Sunbelt rumors are swirling.........as well as JMU to the MAC.

Seems like stuff is starting to hit a little bit closer to home.
What if they held a CAA basketball tournament and nobody was eligible?
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Re: Conference Expansion: Explosion Coming?

Does anyone know if Syracuse and Pittsburgh are subject to the ACC's exit fee if they haven't yet entered?
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C of C to the CAA is now official:

http://www.caasports.com/SplashPage....H_AD_ID=681252
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UConn may very well get into the ACC soon, but the blocking of UConn by BC came from much higher up than Defillippo. He certainly didn't wield that type of pull- as evidence by where he's at today.

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I'm hearing Syracuse is the one who blocked UCONN for Louisville this go round. And now GT is supposedly next in line for the Big 10, sometime in December.
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But how big does the A-10 want to get? I'm trying to remember what their membership is going to be after this year and I think this is right:

Butler
Dayton
Duquesne
Fordham
GW
LaSalle
UMass
Rhode Island
Richmond
St. Bonaventure
St. Joe's
St. Louis
VCU
Xavier

They lose Temple & Charlotte...so if I'm not missing anything, they will be at 14. I could see them going to 16 with DePaul/Marquette...heck, that would really make divisions perfect:

Butler
Dayton
DePaul
Duguesne
Marquette
St. Bonaventure
St. Louis
Xavier

Fordham
GW
LaSalle
UMass
Rhode Island
Richmond
St. Joe's
VCU
I say no freakin way to this scenario. You think DePaul and Marquette are going to leave Georgetown, Nova, St. John's to be in a league with Bonaventure, Duquesne, LaSalle, GW, Fordham?

The basketball schools are only 7, but to me they are still more powerful than the A10 because there's essentially no weak link. Every single school plays in a facility >8000 and has decent attendance and they are all in cities and all pretty good schools. You think they are going to break up to play in high school gymnasiums? The A10 has a number of powerful programs, but they also have a ton of dead weight (I'm not insulting those schools, but that is how a program like Marquette will view the likes mentioned above). BU fits in with the above mentioned group more than Marquette does. The fact is Xavier, Butler, Dayton, St. Louis, Richmond belong with the 7 BE hoops schools MUCH MORE than Marquette belongs with GW, Fordham, and company. Those schools barely invest in basketball and if not for their conference affiliation would barely be better than America East schools if you face the facts.

Only way that happens is if the ACC starts adding hoops schools (Nova, GT or Johnnies) and that is not happening.
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I'm hearing Syracuse is the one who blocked UCONN for Louisville this go round. And now GT is supposedly next in line for the Big 10, sometime in December.
What is it about UCONN that pissed so many former BE members off? First BC, then Syracuse.
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I'm hearing Syracuse is the one who blocked UCONN for Louisville this go round. And now GT is supposedly next in line for the Big 10, sometime in December.
Makes sense........gets the B1G down in SEC recruiting country.......HUGE market with Atlanta.........great move on both of their parts. The ACC does nothing for Georgia Tech.......I can seem them being a good fit if they don't mind the travel.
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