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Old 03-11-2012, 10:13 PM   #46 (permalink)
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No the fans are not. This is a very good fan base and support the team passionitaly. The accomadations at Patrick are 40 years old. The seats are wooden bleachers. To exit that place in an emergency is a disaster waiting to happen. From a safety standpoint alone it is time to correct. Concessions is a joke. Bathrooms are a joke. Having ESPN,NESN and or CBSSports there is difficult and cramped for them. RadioRob can chime in here. I take 2 aspirin before the game in order to spare my back from nearly 2 hours of sitting in my backless seat. I am very not alone here. We put 3000 fans ,give or take and it is great to watch this program. I know a 4500 hoop setup and 6700 for hockey would be fine. As for all the other non- sports related functions that this would be used for and generating even more $$$ - well that list is too long to get in to.
Lemme say this: Having now spent 3-4 home games as a fan, sitting in the bleachers at Patrick, and having done it on several occasions at Gutterson, and having broadcast from both venues now as well, Patrick leads in all categories, other than concessions.

Patrick has better media facilities, hands down. The press boxes at Gutterson give you a terrible vantage point, and are much more cramped. Camera angles are obscured by seats and beams.

Seating is about equal. You have some seat backs in the end zone opposite the student section, so that's a slight edge to Gutterson, if you're 1 of 800 to be sitting there. The side lines at Gutterson are bench seating, cramped and obstructed view too. The bathrooms at Gutterson are silly. 3 urinals and 2 stalls. For 4000 people. Patrick's restroom situation is 1000x better.

But this is where things get murky... the fans still show. Again, I've seen it with the Mets, Celtics, Bruins, Blackhawks.... you build a new building, and the fans don't show up strictly because it's more comfortable. WIN, and they will come watch you play outdoors. Lose in a new building, and it's just gonna be a pretty looking cold empty place. I enjoy a new arena, but the fact is with the right fan base (like UVMs), there's no REAL pressure to build one. Y'all are still showing up.
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:41 AM   #47 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=RadioRobUVM;6785130]Lemme say this: Having now spent 3-4 home games as a fan, sitting in the bleachers at Patrick, and having done it on several occasions at Gutterson, and having broadcast from both venues now as well, Patrick leads in all categories, other than concessions.

Patrick has better media facilities, hands down. The press boxes at Gutterson give you a terrible vantage point, and are much more cramped. Camera angles are obscured by seats and beams.

Seating is about equal. You have some seat backs in the end zone opposite the student section, so that's a slight edge to Gutterson, if you're 1 of 800 to be sitting there. The side lines at Gutterson are bench seating, cramped and obstructed view too. The bathrooms at Gutterson are silly. 3 urinals and 2 stalls. For 4000 people. Patrick's restroom situation is 1000x better.

But this is where things get murky... the fans still show. Again, I've seen it with the Mets, Celtics, Bruins, Blackhawks.... you build a new building, and the fans don't show up strictly because it's more comfortable. WIN, and they will come watch you play outdoors. Lose in a new building, and it's just gonna be a pretty looking cold empty place. I enjoy a new arena, but the fact is with the right fan base (like UVMs), there's no REAL pressure to build one. Y'all are still showing up.[/QUOTE]

Ya lost me..

If it is new and comfy ,we won't show up?
If we win , it's who cares about the safety,appearence and functuality of the building?
If we lose, then it's a moot question?


So, how do you build pressure to build something that would most likely continue to have this program grow stronger. I attend many games but hold no seasons pass. New facility and you can count me for 2
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We put 3000 fans ,give or take and it is great to watch this program. I know a 4500 hoop setup and 6700 for hockey would be fine.
How would you do that, though? Basketball will always seat more than hockey because of floor seats. At Maine, the Alfond seats about 200 or 300 more for hoops than hockey. Ideally for Maine, BU, UVM and UNH, you could have a multipurpose facility that seats 6000 or more for hockey and then somehow contracts to an intimate 3000 for basketball, but that's just not how arenas work. Even BC struggles with basketball atmosphere in Conte, and the AE/HE-4 are never going to draw basketball wise like BC.
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There's no question if UVM had a new arena, there would be more fans attending games. The only question is "how many more"? and what is that number.

The biggest % increase would be among students. You really can't underestimate just logistically and demographically speaking how games at Patrick aren't set up to accommodate students.

I do not want to be offensive, but 18-20 year old college kids don't want to go to Patrick a half hour early and hope they can avoid smushing up against 50-60 year old Vermont townies in the worst bleacher seating ever.

I have a ton of respect for our older fans and they have been loyal and faithful and buying tickets for years- I just think we need a legit facility that accommodates both effectively.
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Lemme say this: Having now spent 3-4 home games as a fan, sitting in the bleachers at Patrick, and having done it on several occasions at Gutterson, and having broadcast from both venues now as well, Patrick leads in all categories, other than concessions.

Patrick has better media facilities, hands down. The press boxes at Gutterson give you a terrible vantage point, and are much more cramped. Camera angles are obscured by seats and beams.

Seating is about equal. You have some seat backs in the end zone opposite the student section, so that's a slight edge to Gutterson, if you're 1 of 800 to be sitting there. The side lines at Gutterson are bench seating, cramped and obstructed view too. The bathrooms at Gutterson are silly. 3 urinals and 2 stalls. For 4000 people. Patrick's restroom situation is 1000x better.

But this is where things get murky... the fans still show. Again, I've seen it with the Mets, Celtics, Bruins, Blackhawks.... you build a new building, and the fans don't show up strictly because it's more comfortable. WIN, and they will come watch you play outdoors. Lose in a new building, and it's just gonna be a pretty looking cold empty place. I enjoy a new arena, but the fact is with the right fan base (like UVMs), there's no REAL pressure to build one. Y'all are still showing up.[/QUOTE]

Ya lost me..

If it is new and comfy ,we won't show up?
If we win , it's who cares about the safety,appearence and functuality of the building?
If we lose, then it's a moot question?


So, how do you build pressure to build something that would most likely continue to have this program grow stronger. I attend many games but hold no seasons pass. New facility and you can count me for 2
If it's new and comfy you will show up, of course. And as we've seen in Chicago, Boston, Citi Field with the Mets.... you'll show up for ONE YEAR in droves, and then that "new arena smell/allure" wears off, and you are back to your regular crowds (UVMHC, this is where I disagree with you. Nobody is just gonna go to games because of a new arena, beyond that initial curiosity). But the reality is you are already showing up, so you don't really NEED new and comfy. From a safety and functionality, again... you may complain about Patrick, but 2500+ are still showing up. So you aren't that concerned.

And yes, if the team starts being a .500 product, a new building is a total moot point. Crowds will dwindle. This has all been proven time and time again.
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There's no question if UVM had a new arena, there would be more fans attending games. The only question is "how many more"? and what is that number.

The biggest % increase would be among students. You really can't underestimate just logistically and demographically speaking how games at Patrick aren't set up to accommodate students.

I do not want to be offensive, but 18-20 year old college kids don't want to go to Patrick a half hour early and hope they can avoid smushing up against 50-60 year old Vermont townies in the worst bleacher seating ever.

I have a ton of respect for our older fans and they have been loyal and faithful and buying tickets for years- I just think we need a legit facility that accommodates both effectively.
It's interesting... again, Gutterson is by no way shape or form more comfortable for students, and they show up for hockey games in DROVES. Scheduling hurts UVM hoops, with afternoon games. The typical college student isn't up by 1pm, but for "pregame" of a Saturday night at 7pm, the hockey game is a great starting point. That's the bigger issue. If you played a Saturday night game against BU at Gutterson, the students would show. But 1pm is "morning" to a college kid. I think it has less to do with Patrick, since Gutterson is equally awful.

Now, having said that, I do belive you would get more students, if in a new building, they gave the students a good "student section".... The Catamount Cage, and put it in a good spot. Right now the student section is off the side, in perhaps the worst seat in the building, behind the visitors bench.
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Lemme just kinda bottom line this: In my opinion, the ONLY reason that the State Of Vermont would build an arena, is to make more money OUTSIDE the teams/games that UVM would play in. Right now, after the Globetrotters come in at the end of March, Patrick Gym and Gutterson Fieldhouse generate essentially ZERO DOLLARS. The main reason the state would spend the cash, would be to generate an additional non-sports related revenue, in addition to the additional corporate sponsor revenue for UVM AND NON-UVM events. Vermont is the only state without a multi-purpose arena. That would be the main motiviation to build.

As much as we all like to think it would be for the athletes and the fans, in the end it's really not about our comfort. It's about paying for it, quickly and making profits.

~ YES it would be NICE (not needed) to have it for the fans
~ YES it would help a little bit, with recruiting (These teams already have great recruits, so they CAN continue with Patrick and Gutterson)
~ YES it would draw more fans in the first year, but right now the teams that win, STILL GET FANS, so they don't NEED to do build it to draw people.
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Lemme just kinda bottom line this: In my opinion, the ONLY reason that the State Of Vermont would build an arena, is to make more money OUTSIDE the teams/games that UVM would play in. Right now, after the Globetrotters come in at the end of March, Patrick Gym and Gutterson Fieldhouse generate essentially ZERO DOLLARS. The main reason the state would spend the cash, would be to generate an additional non-sports related revenue, in addition to the additional corporate sponsor revenue for UVM AND NON-UVM events. Vermont is the only state without a multi-purpose arena. That would be the main motiviation to build.

As much as we all like to think it would be for the athletes and the fans, in the end it's really not about our comfort. It's about paying for it, quickly and making profits.

~ YES it would be NICE (not needed) to have it for the fans
~ YES it would help a little bit, with recruiting (These teams already have great recruits, so they CAN continue with Patrick and Gutterson)
~ YES it would draw more fans in the first year, but right now the teams that win, STILL GET FANS, so they don't NEED to do build it to draw people.
Agreed. It's not something that would define as as a need- but something that we should have and could use, for sure.
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It's interesting... again, Gutterson is by no way shape or form more comfortable for students, and they show up for hockey games in DROVES.
Hockey has always been the sport du jour though at UVM, won't ever change that culture and it's silly to even compare the two sports.

Strictly speaking for basketball, with a new arena, I KNOW more students would show and that has nothing to do with hockey or Gutterson.
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Thanks for posting this link. I know people that work at Ted Virtue's firm- he manages a private equity and hedge fund in New York- actually spun it out of Deutsche Bank- used to be the private equity arm of DB. Major, major people on its board of directors. It's too bad his son plays on the Lacrosse team and not basketball team Very nice gift though. Ted actually played football and basketball at Middlebury.

Anyways, there's a large number of Ultra High Net Worth sons and daughters at UVM. The UVM Fund needs to really tap into that for the arena build. In my class the daughters of the CEO of Disney and Putnam Investments were there, and one of my buddies dad owns pretty much all the buildings in Chicago and midwest and tried to buy Wrigley Field when it was up for sale before Ricketts bought the Cubs. And that's just 3 ultra wealthy people I know- and didn't know anything about their family wealth until after- imagine all the ones that I don't know and from all the other classes?

That's the funny thing at UVM- the girl buying beers at Pearl Street Beverage with dreads and then jumping into her SUV probably has a $50M trust fund nobody knows about.
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If I win the $500 Million Mega Millions Jackpot you have me on record right here. I will buy the Arena myself. So long as it's named after my grandfather.
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