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Old 11-07-2012, 07:37 AM   #1006 (permalink)
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Rony Tchatchoua brings the pain:

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Old 11-07-2012, 08:49 AM   #1007 (permalink)
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You've seen guys like Blakely in this conference? Please tell me who, I want names..please tell me- who did as many amazing athletic things on offense and defense- blocks, rebounds, steals, dunks, everything. NCAA Dunk Champion. I'm pretty confident to say this conference will be long dissolved before it sees another player of Blakely's overall package again.


As for the raw stats, you keep failing to see how that's not relevant- because while Turner may have been able to jump higher, run faster, and bench more Blakely still did things far more explosive and incredible than what I see in your clips. I mean, seriously- when does this happen in the AE...ever...it just doesn't ever. You can't say Turner was most explosive when something like this exists in the world. You just can't, I'm sorry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PozPrv0pGdA


As for Rusin, you're taking that completely out of context to support what I don't even know, but I was speaking in the context of the UVM dunk contest, and how impressive his dunk was relative to other UVM dunks in the event, specifically O'Day who was named the winner. Please, please, please tell me you understand how that's completely different than saying Matt Turner is "in all likelihood the most athletic player to come through the conference"
You keep looking at production - Blakely's steals, blocks, rebounds - which is a combination of athleticism, which he obviously learned how to harness (as many athletic players have not), skill, work ethic, and putting it all together. You are comparing Blakely the PLAYER to Turner the PLAYER... I am looking at raw athleticism. If Marqus Blakely had Turner's Athleticism, IE speed and jumping ability, he would have done things that we've never seen before at any level... Blakely was a wonderful athlete, Turner was more explosive. He was 5'8", he did not have the advantage of length and height.

Like I said, as far as explosive athleticism, I have seen him before at different levels - and by seen him before, I mean seen his raw athleticism... WrenF just proved my point with the clip from Ronny T at UNH, which was extremely similar to the Blakely championship game dunk. I saw very similar dunks from Austin Ganly (against UVM at home at UNH in 2002 on David Hehn/Grant Anderson), in the America East tournament in 2002 (on Justin Rowe) at Uconn in 2002 (on Okafor/Caron Butler)...

I've never said I'll see another player who dominates the way that Blakely dominated, but as far as raw athleticism, I've seen the 6'5" long athlete before, I haven't seen the 5'8" firehydrant physical freak.

You keep getting mad at me because I'm the one to put it on paper and your taking it as a personal slight at Blakely, but frankly, there are a hell of a lot of people of much greater authority than me who feel the same way who saw both (Tom Brennan, Tobe Carberry, T.J. Sorrentine, Pat Filien, to name just a few)... Haven't had anyone other than you say to me Blakely was the more explosive athlete. Turner had him beat in leaping ability, power, and speed, Blakely has a huge edge in height and length and is no athletic slouch himself.

In my opinion, Turner was the athlete I have less chance of seeing again in my lifetime... it's my opinion, I'm not arguing this anymore because it's pointless, but don't tell me it isn't well founded in the informed opinions of some very credible first hand sources as well as my own eyes.
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WrenF just proved my point with the clip from Ronny T at UNH
Pretty sure he was proving my point.
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Turner was a great leaper for anyone. Please find someone whose registered a standing Vertical leap of better than 40 inches in a combine from the past 20 years... It just doesn't happen.
Being a great leaper for his size is precisely what makes you feel he's so insanely athletic, because his actual dunks were nowhere near as explosive/impressive as Blakely's.

I guess I just don't see how any of that stuff matters unless it's applied to basketball. Like he has a 40in vertical, um great? He can bench a lot? Um, ok....so is this a weightlifting competition, or basketball?
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Niagra had a guy, Calvin Murphy (?), who was maybe shorter than Turner and similarly athletic. He's the only other pocket rocket I can remember who might have had a similar vertical leap. I think he hit his head on the rim in one game I watched.
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Just go onto YouTube and there's all kinds of small dunkers. The NCAA slam dunk contest has a few token short dudes every year. I think a number of years back Middle Tennessee State or something had some short guy that was crazy. I remember a few of them ending up on the Globetrotters.
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Niagra had a guy, Calvin Murphy (?), who was maybe shorter than Turner and similarly athletic. He's the only other pocket rocket I can remember who might have had a similar vertical leap. I think he hit his head on the rim in one game I watched.
Funny story, my dad was an athletic 6'6" and he had to cover Murphy when Niagra played Umass because Murphy was just TORCHING them... long and short of it, pops fouled out in about 10 minutes of action.
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There once was this guy back in the 80's. Played for the Atlanta Hawks. 5'7" about 150. Ring any bells? Spud Webb.

Ever watched the youtube clip "World's Greatest Dunker" check that out as well if you haven't seen it.
A 5'10 guy from Algeria, absolutely sick!

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Funny story, my dad was an athletic 6'6" and he had to cover Murphy when Niagra played Umass because Murphy was just TORCHING them... long and short of it, pops fouled out in about 10 minutes of action.
I just looked up Calvin Murphy on Wikipedia. LOL It has been a few years. He played in the NBA '70-'83 and is in the NBA HOF. Your dad probably had one of the better games anyone had against him!
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Go to YouTube and put in Jacob Tucker. He's 5'11'' now but has been dunking since he was 5'7''- and you'll obviously realize why if you watch. He didn't even play D1.


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Go to YouTube and put in Jacob Tucker. He's 5'11'' now but has been dunking since he was 5'7''- and you'll obviously realize why if you watch. He didn't even play D1.


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I'm well aware of Tucker - have been since the petition to get him in the college dunk contest... and He's taller than Turner, and as amazing as those dunks are, I've seen better - a lot better - from Matt. I wish there was actual video of some of the BU midnight madnesses and some of the summer dunk contests he was in, because he threw down some INSANITY. Jumped over Billy Collins (who at 6'6" was nearly a foot taller than him) before throwing down a 2-handed jam... He could 360 it with 2-hands going from a stand-still standing directly under the hoop... I realize it always comes back to "I need to see proof," but, unfortunately, the youtube and DVD age just didn't start until after the career was over... Look how little video there is of Coppenrath, Sorrentine, and Barea from their time in the America East: The only video is from national TV games as a result of conference championships and NCAA berths.

I'm transitioning into a much bigger point here, but there was some absolutely outstanding basketball in the early part of the 2000's in the America East, even more outstanding in the decades before, it's such a shame that there is so little video left of it.
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I just looked up Calvin Murphy on Wikipedia. LOL It has been a few years. He played in the NBA '70-'83 and is in the NBA HOF. Your dad probably had one of the better games anyone had against him!
He said the most humiliating part of that game was that during halftime, when everyone went back into the locker room, Murphy did this baton twirling routine at halfcourt as half-time entertainment - he was, apparently, some sort of world-class baton twirler... I'm not making that up.
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I'm transitioning into a much bigger point here, but there was some absolutely outstanding basketball in the early part of the 2000's in the America East, even more outstanding in the decades before, it's such a shame that there is so little video left of it.
Believe me- I know. You should have seen the league before 2000. Ask around, try and get some video of Eddie Benton. He wasn't a dunker, but he was the true AE version of Allen Iverson. Literally unguardable.
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Believe me- I know. You should have seen the league before 2000. Ask around, try and get some video of Eddie Benton. He wasn't a dunker, but he was the true AE version of Allen Iverson. Literally unguardable.
I've been trying to get footage of Eddie for years... by all accounts he was one of those once in a life-time players as far as uniqueness went. Such a shame that there isn't archival footage anywhere...

Same for Tunji Awojobi, Kevin Roberson, Malik Rose... wish I could find old footage of those guys.
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I've been trying to get footage of Eddie for years... by all accounts he was one of those once in a life-time players as far as uniqueness went. Such a shame that there isn't archival footage anywhere...

Same for Tunji Awojobi, Kevin Roberson, Malik Rose... wish I could find old footage of those guys.
There's tons of guys from 90-2000 that would be great to get footage on. In addition to Eddie I'd love to see:

Vin Baker (most dynamic player I personally saw play in AE), Speedy Claxton (best overall guard I have ever seen play), Scott Drapeau, Spencer Dunkley, Mike Pegues, Norman Richardson

Plus scorers/shooters like Justin Bailey, Mike DeRocckis,Matt Alosa, Andy Bedard, Tony Orciari...
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