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Old 12-03-2012, 08:07 PM   #1066 (permalink)
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Don't disagree with much, but I'd go this way:

1. UAlbany
2. Vermont
3. SBU
4. BU
5. Hartford....

Also, not sure what the man crush is on Alasdair Fraser but don't think he's been off the Fab Five since last year...a little favoritism there I think.
The Power Rankings and picks are decided upon each week after a great deal of debate and analysis by myself and Matt - Matt being the "sabermatrician" and stat geek, and myself being the eyes, ears and feel traditionalist... and we agree on Fraser: At an incredibly high usage rate he still produces despite being doubled constantly - I'd seriously recommend spending a game focusing on him every possession: Team's collapse and double him more than anyone else in the league. He's ninth in scoring, second in rebounding and second in blocks...

We also used a bit of transitive property this past week: Pelcher has earned a spot on the Fab 5 with his play, and we still see Fraser as having a better year so far than Pelcher: He faces far more defensive focus, and is scoring at a higher clip and pulling down more rebounds...

I'd certainly love to hear who you think deserves his spot... worth noting that if you really analyze the stats of the Fab 5 so far, Fraser probably isn't the weakest link
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The Power Rankings and picks are decided upon each week after a great deal of debate and analysis by myself and Matt - Matt being the "sabermatrician" and stat geek, and myself being the eyes, ears and feel traditionalist... and we agree on Fraser: At an incredibly high usage rate he still produces despite being doubled constantly - I'd seriously recommend spending a game focusing on him every possession: Team's collapse and double him more than anyone else in the league. He's ninth in scoring, second in rebounding and second in blocks...

We also used a bit of transitive property this past week: Pelcher has earned a spot on the Fab 5 with his play, and we still see Fraser as having a better year so far than Pelcher: He faces far more defensive focus, and is scoring at a higher clip and pulling down more rebounds...

I'd certainly love to hear who you think deserves his spot... worth noting that if you really analyze the stats of the Fab 5 so far, Fraser probably isn't the weakest link
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The Power Rankings and picks are decided upon each week after a great deal of debate and analysis by myself and Matt - Matt being the "sabermatrician" and stat geek, and myself being the eyes, ears and feel traditionalist... and we agree on Fraser: At an incredibly high usage rate he still produces despite being doubled constantly - I'd seriously recommend spending a game focusing on him every possession: Team's collapse and double him more than anyone else in the league. He's ninth in scoring, second in rebounding and second in blocks...

We also used a bit of transitive property this past week: Pelcher has earned a spot on the Fab 5 with his play, and we still see Fraser as having a better year so far than Pelcher: He faces far more defensive focus, and is scoring at a higher clip and pulling down more rebounds...

I'd certainly love to hear who you think deserves his spot... worth noting that if you really analyze the stats of the Fab 5 so far, Fraser probably isn't the weakest link
I was wondering if you were going to rebut my criticism. I thought you said you weren't going to justify anything anymore?

My choice for inclusion to replace someone would be Jordan Reed.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:12 PM   #1069 (permalink)
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Farfromtheshow - Albany #1? What are you smoking in that pipe brother?

Vermont #1
BU #2
Stony Brook #3
Albany #4

You have Hartford ranked over BU???

You think Hartford could come within 2 points at George Mason and Rutgers? THINK AGAIN!!!!
Close only counts in Horse Shoes and Hand Grenades. Boston University is 2-5, they have young talent, yes, but people are still getting caught up in the "Sex Appeal" of the Boston University name and some of the hype of the young players.

Boston University is terribly young and undersized, but an even bigger problem is their tremendous lack of depth: They have 7 real D1 players in their rotation right now, which leaves very little room for error. They have zero size, and don't have a lot of diversity on offense or defense...

I've seen BU and Hartford 4 times a piece live so far, and I've been more impressed with Hartford RIGHT NOW - which is the key. The power rankings are not based on where we think they WILL finish, but where the teams stand right now if the season ended today. They are based on our assessment of current production, not long term potential.

With that said, I've got to question the bias of you're insight considering that you are citing close losses as support for BU, but list Albany 4th when they have the best win of the season so far...
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Mike Horn occupies all five spots on the First Team All-Conference, think of the "Fab 5" as the 5 next best players after Mike Horn.
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I was wondering if you were going to rebut my criticism. I thought you said you weren't going to justify anything anymore?

My choice for inclusion to replace someone would be Jordan Reed.
Reed and Warney were the last two left off the fab 5 list - a pretty darn good sign for the long term prospects of the league.

With that said, Reed is a wonderful player, but it's always hard to compare a talented player who is surrounded by nothing (other than, of course, the unstoppable Juggernaut who is Mike Horn) and thus gets a tremendous amount more touches on offense, versus a talented player who is playing within a scheme with some other real players... which will cut down a bit on his own touches... Interesting to think about what Reed's numbers would be on Maine, and what Fraser's would be in Bing... Either way, it was a very, very close call between the final two on the team, and the last 2 off the team this week.

I would say that I think UVM fans are a bit biased against Fraser because he's never seemed to bring his A-game against UVM, but he really can play, and has been bringing it again so far this year.

With that said, I'm not going to be justifying a lot on here anymore, but I've been cooped up for going on 4 days now with a 102 fever, so some human interaction on here is nice.
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Reed and Warney were the last two left off the fab 5 list - a pretty darn good sign for the long term prospects of the league.

With that said, Reed is a wonderful player, but it's always hard to compare a talented player who is surrounded by nothing (other than, of course, the unstoppable Juggernaut who is Mike Horn) and thus gets a tremendous amount more touches on offense, versus a talented player who is playing within a scheme with some other real players... which will cut down a bit on his own touches... Interesting to think about what Reed's numbers would be on Maine, and what Fraser's would be in Bing... Either way, it was a very, very close call between the final two on the team, and the last 2 off the team this week.

I would say that I think UVM fans are a bit biased against Fraser because he's never seemed to bring his A-game against UVM, but he really can play, and has been bringing it again so far this year.

With that said, I'm not going to be justifying a lot on here anymore, but I've been cooped up for going on 4 days now with a 102 fever, so some human interaction on here is nice.
please don't breathe on me through the computer screen. I'd like to go to the Towson game on Wednesday
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please don't breathe on me through the computer screen. I'd like to go to the Towson game on Wednesday
I was hoping to go to that game as well, but I don't know if I've got 8 hours of driving in me after this ordeal... Pretty sure I have the Black Plague
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having any team besides UVM, SBU, Albany, or Boston U in the top 4 is absurd.
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Farfromtheshow - Albany #1? What are you smoking in that pipe brother?

Vermont #1
BU #2
Stony Brook #3
Albany #4

You have Hartford ranked over BU???

You think Hartford could come within 2 points at George Mason and Rutgers? THINK AGAIN!!!!
Albany at 4? Oh you've got to be kidding me...I'd be OK with third if it came to it but BU ahead of Albany? LOL...WTH?

You barely beat Siena we beat them by 13, beat Washington, beat a good Wagner team? On what planet is UA not top 3?

Usually you are better then this...I'm thinking maybe you are drunk or something. I don't know how the rest of the season will play out but UA that far down is a joke at this time.
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I was wondering if you were going to rebut my criticism. I thought you said you weren't going to justify anything anymore?

My choice for inclusion to replace someone would be Jordan Reed.
He gets sucked in

I'm not going to argue for or against the rankings, I'd rather let them stand on their own. I will make two clarifying points though, to be interpreted however anyone wants.

(1) BU was really close to the #4 spot, but the person who originally slotted them at #5 and kept them there this week was technically me, not Sam. If you flip any of BU's three close losses they'd probably already be #4 but with such a young team I don't want to assume they can win those close games until it actually happens. That's just an interpretation, if anyone wants to give them more credit for those close losses and rank them fourth it's not at all a hard argument to make. I know kenpom likes BU a lot right now but the beginning of December is the absolute earliest I'm willing to start reading into the kenpom numbers as anything beyond a superficial indicator - it takes a while for everyone's schedules to get connected.

(2) If Bing had played yesterday instead of today and Jordan Reed had dropped an efficient 26 and 10 with four steals before the rankings were set, I'm 99% sure Jordan Reed would be on the Fab Five. Not sure who he'd knock off, but he'd be on it.

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Or, he's interacting with his primary readership rather then just using this message board to link to your site.

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Albany at 4? Oh you've got to be kidding me...I'd be OK with third if it came to it but BU ahead of Albany? LOL...WTH?

You barely beat Siena we beat them by 13, beat Washington, beat a good Wagner team? On what planet is UA not top 3?

Usually you are better then this...I'm thinking maybe you are drunk or something. I don't know how the rest of the season will play out but UA that far down is a joke at this time.
Hey Bosiydid, I see your point. My post was confusing. What I should have said is the top 4 are basically interchangable. Albany could easily be #1. Things are that close. I think any of those top 4 teams could win it.

The disagreement I basically have is OBW placing Hartford ahead of BU. Just can't see that at all. Albany #1 - I could see that easily. When you have ordinal rankings, you have to put someone #1 and someone else #4.
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I think Albany is the clear-cut #1 performer thus far, and flip a coin for 2/3 between UVM & SBU.

I would put BU 4th as well. They lack size, depth, and I think DJ Irving is not the ideal SG- but they have quite bit of talent. If they had a Brenton/Voelkel on their team they would be far and away the best in the conference- of course, adding Brenton/Voelkel would make anyone in AE a contender. But they're really missing "someone like that"or even a level down from that.

This is an unfortunate situation for the conference to be losing a team like BU- with good young talent.

I think they will take the PL by storm in first season and finish Top 3 at minimum if Jones adds some additional size.
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