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Old 10-31-2011, 05:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Already know about Ogunyemi for '13, but some 2015s and a 2016 name for the Terriers:
This is by no means a commentary or an indictment of any kind on BU, more the recruiting/scouting process...but are we really talking about who is watching kids in the class of *2016*?!?! Kids who are getting ready to step up and take leadership roles on their *middle school* basketball teams?!

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This is by no means a commentary or an indictment of any kind on BU, more the recruiting/scouting process...but are we really talking about who is watching kids in the class of *2016*?!?! Kids who are getting ready to step up and take leadership roles on their *middle school* basketball teams?!

I fear for the world sometimes.
There's no contact involved here - IIRC there's no contact allowed at all until June 15th after a recruit's sophomore year. And in any case I think BU was probably there to see the freshmen and the 8th grader happens to be on the team.

But yeah, it is kind of ridiculous. You see a kid at 13, 14 years old and have no idea how he's going to develop physically or skills-wise. I get looking at high school kids, even high school underclassmen, but I don't get why there are people ranking the best 7th grade basketball players in the nation. I mean, I guess I get why - people are interested, so there's a market - but really? They're 12 years old!
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This is by no means a commentary or an indictment of any kind on BU, more the recruiting/scouting process...but are we really talking about who is watching kids in the class of *2016*?!?! Kids who are getting ready to step up and take leadership roles on their *middle school* basketball teams?!

I fear for the world sometimes.
Word on the street is that 2016 kid went 3-4 in kickball yesterday.

He also lit it up in the student/faculty game last spring. Went off for 18 and 10, Mrs Miller didn't stand a fu%$in chance!
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There's no contact involved here - IIRC there's no contact allowed at all until June 15th after a recruit's sophomore year. And in any case I think BU was probably there to see the freshmen and the 8th grader happens to be on the team.

But yeah, it is kind of ridiculous. You see a kid at 13, 14 years old and have no idea how he's going to develop physically or skills-wise. I get looking at high school kids, even high school underclassmen, but I don't get why there are people ranking the best 7th grade basketball players in the nation. I mean, I guess I get why - people are interested, so there's a market - but really? They're 12 years old!
Yeah, like I said, this isn't about BU. They don't control who's in the gym at the time when they show up. It's more the fact that there are people in the world right now who are keenly of the names of 8th-Grade basketball players, much less when they're in the presence of college basketball players. Think about when you were in 8th-Grade. Think about the best basketball player you knew. Now fast forward to when you're an adult basketball fan...and imagine watching that kid, and trying to discern one way or another if that kid has college basketball ability.

Really, Internet? Really?

You're spot on: especially with guys, who develop much later, what's the point? The halls of middle school basketball glory are littered with cautionary tales of early growth spurts.
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Relevant to the discussion about scouting 8th graders there's a really interesting Documentary coming out called "Manchild" about LA Middle School/HS phenom Schea Cotton, who pretty much peaked in 10th grade. It was my senior year so he was the "biggest name" in HS basketball then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyG1I8nxvR8

Yeah, nobody knows what a player will turn into as an 8th grader.
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Relevant to the discussion about scouting 8th graders there's a really interesting Documentary coming out called "Manchild" about LA Middle School/HS phenom Schea Cotton, who pretty much peaked in 10th grade. It was my senior year so he was the "biggest name" in HS basketball then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyG1I8nxvR8

Yeah, nobody knows what a player will turn into as an 8th grader.
a sad mess of a story.. http://articles.latimes.com/print/20...ts/sp-cotton18
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Not 2013, but BU and UVM are after Wade Baldwin of NJ along with Virginia Tech. (2014)
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Not 2013, but BU and UVM are after Wade Baldwin of NJ along with Virginia Tech. (2014)
Maurice Watson is already getting recruited over?

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does anyone else think rugg should get a scholly. He does only have to pay in-state tuition which is a lot cheaper. if he ends up being the clear cut back up SF this season its hard to say he didnt earn it. He is out playing Santo as of right now. Really i dont think we have much room for santo on this team. he may end up being a pretty good player but he is a long ways down on the bench. I could see Santo or McKeany leaving because of lack of playing time. Mckeany has a better opportunity to see minutes though with Pat graduating. A big problem with giving Rugg a scholly is that next year we will already have 6 players under scholarship in his class already.(Voelkel, McKeany, Sandro, Apfeld, rusin, and Elbaum) We cant have 7 people in the same class. if crenca reshirted he would of been as well. We are going to need replace these players at some point. hopefully before they graduate we will have a freshmen in place to take over. I dont think we can afford to give Rugg a scholly but i think he is going to earn it. I think Santo should move on to greener pastures as well. I just dont see us having the room or need for him. He would be a great guy to have at the end of the bench but we need to create more schollies for upcoming years. we currently have 5 scholarships available for the next two years. I'm not sure 5 is enough for a two period window. i wouldnt mind seeing one more open up for a little more balance. we could also always even it up later with a transfer which would prolly be the best way to go about it.
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does anyone else think rugg should get a scholly. He does only have to pay in-state tuition which is a lot cheaper. if he ends up being the clear cut back up SF this season its hard to say he didnt earn it. He is out playing Santo as of right now. Really i dont think we have much room for santo on this team. he may end up being a pretty good player but he is a long ways down on the bench. I could see Santo or McKeany leaving because of lack of playing time. Mckeany has a better opportunity to see minutes though with Pat graduating. A big problem with giving Rugg a scholly is that next year we will already have 6 players under scholarship in his class already.(Voelkel, McKeany, Sandro, Apfeld, rusin, and Elbaum) We cant have 7 people in the same class. if crenca reshirted he would of been as well. We are going to need replace these players at some point. hopefully before they graduate we will have a freshmen in place to take over. I dont think we can afford to give Rugg a scholly but i think he is going to earn it. I think Santo should move on to greener pastures as well. I just dont see us having the room or need for him. He would be a great guy to have at the end of the bench but we need to create more schollies for upcoming years. we currently have 5 scholarships available for the next two years. I'm not sure 5 is enough for a two period window. i wouldnt mind seeing one more open up for a little more balance. we could also always even it up later with a transfer which would prolly be the best way to go about it.
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does anyone else think rugg should get a scholly. He does only have to pay in-state tuition which is a lot cheaper. if he ends up being the clear cut back up SF this season its hard to say he didnt earn it. He is out playing Santo as of right now. Really i dont think we have much room for santo on this team. he may end up being a pretty good player but he is a long ways down on the bench. I could see Santo or McKeany leaving because of lack of playing time. Mckeany has a better opportunity to see minutes though with Pat graduating. A big problem with giving Rugg a scholly is that next year we will already have 6 players under scholarship in his class already.(Voelkel, McKeany, Sandro, Apfeld, rusin, and Elbaum) We cant have 7 people in the same class. if crenca reshirted he would of been as well. We are going to need replace these players at some point. hopefully before they graduate we will have a freshmen in place to take over. I dont think we can afford to give Rugg a scholly but i think he is going to earn it. I think Santo should move on to greener pastures as well. I just dont see us having the room or need for him. He would be a great guy to have at the end of the bench but we need to create more schollies for upcoming years. we currently have 5 scholarships available for the next two years. I'm not sure 5 is enough for a two period window. i wouldnt mind seeing one more open up for a little more balance. we could also always even it up later with a transfer which would prolly be the best way to go about it.
Wow! One inter-squad scrimmage and an exhibition game and you are trying to run a freshman, 17 year old kid out of town? He doesn't look comfortable out there yet while trying to switch positions at a new, much higher level but he is trying his a$$ off. He has a temperament I love in a player, Tim Duncanesque, gets knocked and gets right back up, intense but otherwise emotionless. Once he finds his role and gets comfortable and confident he will produce at this level too like he did in high school when averaged 29 PPG. TJ Sorrentine flat out sucked his first few games too. I'd like to see him let loose against Concordia and shut your ignorant a$$ up. You are an embarrassment.
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i didnt say i think the kid isnt good enough. i like the him as a role player. He is just the third SF with two sophomores ahead of him at the position. He easily could be better than Rugg and take over the back up SF spot. I would give him time to see if this happens but he shouldnt have to be the third SF his junior year. It wouldnt be fair to him. I would have no problem him transferring to a place that can give more PT. i didnt think this only because two scrimmage but also what Becker has seen in practice. Rugg is better right now. I also stated that the best situation to fix the uneven schollies is to add a transfer down the line. That would be better than santo transferring if you didnt get that in the end. right now though santo is the most replaceable because of our depth and youth at that position.
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does anyone else think rugg should get a scholly. He does only have to pay in-state tuition which is a lot cheaper. if he ends up being the clear cut back up SF this season its hard to say he didnt earn it. He is out playing Santo as of right now. Really i dont think we have much room for santo on this team. he may end up being a pretty good player but he is a long ways down on the bench. I could see Santo or McKeany leaving because of lack of playing time. Mckeany has a better opportunity to see minutes though with Pat graduating. A big problem with giving Rugg a scholly is that next year we will already have 6 players under scholarship in his class already.(Voelkel, McKeany, Sandro, Apfeld, rusin, and Elbaum) We cant have 7 people in the same class. if crenca reshirted he would of been as well. We are going to need replace these players at some point. hopefully before they graduate we will have a freshmen in place to take over. I dont think we can afford to give Rugg a scholly but i think he is going to earn it. I think Santo should move on to greener pastures as well. I just dont see us having the room or need for him. He would be a great guy to have at the end of the bench but we need to create more schollies for upcoming years. we currently have 5 scholarships available for the next two years. I'm not sure 5 is enough for a two period window. i wouldnt mind seeing one more open up for a little more balance. we could also always even it up later with a transfer which would prolly be the best way to go about it.
Are you fu%$ing kidding me? The kid played 8 minutes in a blowout pre-season game and you're ready to chase him out of Patrick?
Are you insane? Do you not have a sole? (Billy Madison)

Santo is totally switching roles by 100% from high school. Did you honestly think he would make this transition without a step back? Seriously, give him a chance before you go running him off.

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UVM4204L,

On the Santo thing, that's so far beyond crazy that I'm going to pretend you never even said that. Think....before you post.

On the Rugg thing, that's a valid question and my thoughts on giving either Rugg (or Angstadt) a scholarship is they have to earn it first-which neither have. Neither kid was invited on the team and told they would get a scholarship if one opened up- but rather if they earned it. I know both could have gotten D2 scholarships but they wanted the challenge of D1. I still don't believe Rugg will see significant minutes this season, but if he does- I'll be rooting for him.

By earning it ultimately it come's down to Becker and staff's discretion- but if it was up to me I think you have to become a key contributor and play more than a reserve role and get at least 20-25 minutes or become a starter- that's how I would justify it. Kinda like Jimmy Gray at Binghamton- he really stepped up, proved he belonged, and earned a scholarship. I think both Rugg and Angstadt are, at least right now, a long ways away from that level.
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