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Old 04-04-2012, 08:53 PM   #121 (permalink)
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I'm really interested to see how Duke's recruitment goes.
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Khalil Dukes got offered by Stony Brook and Fairfield today.

Kid dropped a "still not satisfied" on his Twitter lol.
He's obviously a very talented player, but his comment points to a thought process that says "I'm into the name/conference of the school, not where I fit best" attitude so prevalent today. One look at the Transfer List, and where most kids transfer to (usually a lower level) shows that too many are choosing schools for the wrong reasons. I find it comical how most kids mention how they want to "get back closer to home", but really it's about going to the schools that actually had serious interest in them from jump street, and many times that is the more local schools....
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He's obviously a very talented player, but his comment points to a thought process that says "I'm into the name/conference of the school, not where I fit best" attitude so prevalent today. One look at the Transfer List, and where most kids transfer to (usually a lower level) shows that too many are choosing schools for the wrong reasons. I find it comical how most kids mention how they want to "get back closer to home", but really it's about going to the schools that actually had serious interest in them from jump street, and many times that is the more local schools....
Great point...just about every time you look at these transfer lists...kids are dropping down and not going up a level. Most of them appear to have been recruited over. Very few kids appear to have the support system around them to properly gauge their appropriate level as a result, the number of transfers is off the charts.
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He's obviously a very talented player, but his comment points to a thought process that says "I'm into the name/conference of the school, not where I fit best" attitude so prevalent today. One look at the Transfer List, and where most kids transfer to (usually a lower level) shows that too many are choosing schools for the wrong reasons. I find it comical how most kids mention how they want to "get back closer to home", but really it's about going to the schools that actually had serious interest in them from jump street, and many times that is the more local schools....
Agreed.

The kid has 10 offers from a lot of great schools from different levels of D1, and I get these kids are young and say stupid stuff- but that would turn me off a bit.

It's about finding the situation that's best for him and him only- it's not about what his buddy Kris Dunn is doing. Hope he has the right people around him that can help him figure it out.
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Great point...just about every time you look at these transfer lists...kids are dropping down and not going up a level. Most of them appear to have been recruited over. Very few kids appear to have the support system around them to properly gauge their appropriate level as a result, the number of transfers is off the charts.
This is an interesting discussion...maybe not specifically for this thread, but in general. It's totally true, too many kids out there make immature decisions...or more importantly, don't have level-headed adults around them helping them make more mature decisions. But at the same time, the coaches are in these kids' ear saying "you can play at this level." Because if they weren't, they wouldn't be getting a scholarship offer. And it's not just one coach, it's many...most guys who take an offer probably had at least one other offer from a school at a comparable level. Coaches are highly-compensated, professional basketball talent evaluators...and they're telling you "You're good enough." That's a lot for a 17-year-old to digest.

It'd be interesting to really examine kids who "transfer down" a level, and see where they were ranked in various recruiting rankings, where they were assessed compared to others in their recruiting class, etc. My guess is that while some kids definitely were reaching, a lot of them made choices that at the time, people who make a lot of money off of basketball would have told you were good moves. There's a lot to this, on both sides.
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This is an interesting discussion...maybe not specifically for this thread, but in general. It's totally true, too many kids out there make immature decisions...or more importantly, don't have level-headed adults around them helping them make more mature decisions. But at the same time, the coaches are in these kids' ear saying "you can play at this level." Because if they weren't, they wouldn't be getting a scholarship offer. And it's not just one coach, it's many...most guys who take an offer probably had at least one other offer from a school at a comparable level. Coaches are highly-compensated, professional basketball talent evaluators...and they're telling you "You're good enough." That's a lot for a 17-year-old to digest.

It'd be interesting to really examine kids who "transfer down" a level, and see where they were ranked in various recruiting rankings, where they were assessed compared to others in their recruiting class, etc. My guess is that while some kids definitely were reaching, a lot of them made choices that at the time, people who make a lot of money off of basketball would have told you were good moves. There's a lot to this, on both sides.
What most fail to realize is that many schools "offer" a lot of kids; it's the nature of the beast. Some schools offer kids that they know they probably won't get, while others only offer those that they feel they have a legit chance to get. Many times, a young man may be #5 on the school's list of players at that position, but if the top 4 say no, and they need a player at that position, they may take him for depth, knowing that next year they will go out and find their future starter at that position. If a young man has mostly mid-majors offering him, and in the Spring of his Sr. year, a hi-major offers him, chances are he was probably not a priority for them, but they didn't get who they wanted. That young man may take the scholly, only to find that he gets little or no time, and ends up transferring after one or two years "back home" to one of the mids that originally offered. To me, it's about fit, opportunity, and style of play relative to your skill set. Unfortunately for many, it's about "name of conference/coach".....
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Re: 2013 America East Recruiting Thread

the only thing i can think about dukes that may be a bright spot is that he may just want to get as many offers as possible and is a hungry kid. its either he wants to go high-major and doesnt want to play low major or he wants to show that just because he has a few offers doesnt mean he done trying to get more.

i'm guessing he prolly wants to go high major but dont count out the hunger of the kid. He may just be motivated to prove to every school they should take him even though he already has a school he likes.
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I'm just as interested in Adrian Oliviera as I am Dukes. Dukes is very fast, quick- but he's also definitely more of a combo guard and a "scoring" PG. That doesn't seem to fit our system of PG's. At 150lbs, Dukes is also pretty small.

Oliviera is taller, and stronger. Probably more physically ready to handle contact in the lane.
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Old 04-09-2012, 01:05 PM   #129 (permalink)
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Dukes is more of a pure shooter but Olivera is a pure PG, taller, stronger and plays above the rim. He also just received All-League honors in NEPSAC AA which is loaded with talent. I believe thats voted by coaches so that means something. he's in good company,

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Here is a recent interview with Dukes where he pretty much says that he's trying do better than Kris Dunn. This kid is obviously going to pick a conference and not the school.

http://hoopdreamsmag.com/?p=3172
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Here is a recent interview with Dukes where he pretty much says that he's trying do better than Kris Dunn. This kid is obviously going to pick a conference and not the school.

http://hoopdreamsmag.com/?p=3172
You anti-Dukes or what lol

Hey, you don't need to sell me on Oliveira. I live 5min from Brimmer and May and have seen him play. I definitely like his game.

Last PG we got from Pawtucket turned out pretty nice too
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Not at all! Like Dukes a lot as a scorer but reading his tweets everyday, it does seem like he wants to be in the same category of Dunn and Drummond.
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Colin Richey who has been mentioned with UVM is going to Choate and re-classing to 2014.

Any other 2013 guards on the radar?
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what i got from the dukes interview was that he wants to be seen as a high major player but doesnt necessarily want to go high major. he just wants to get mentioned as a high major talent.
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Colin Richey who has been mentioned with UVM is going to Choate and re-classing to 2014.

Any other 2013 guards on the radar?
For UVM and guards Chris Braley from Exeter/Maine was a while back- he's a SG. Recently a PG from Wilbraham & Monson, Kamali Bey was mentioned.

Seems to be a lot more forwards I've read for 2013. Kurt Steidl from Ridgefield, CT being my favorite- followed by Harrison Taggart and Skyler White.
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