2012-2013 Vermont Catamount Thread!

[uvm4life20]

the problem with a seven man class is not that you have seven quality players but you only have 6 jr's,so's, and fr's. thats not many experienced players going into the next year. if you dont give clancy a scholly you could have 7 underclassmen instead of 6. we prolly need a transfer to balance the classes out at some point.

[UVM7680]

Checking the UVM men's BB roster to see if anyone new had made an appearance. Almost had a coronary when I couldn't find number 23, Brian Voelkel. Looked again, and there he is... with number ONE? Anyone have any idea why/when?

[UVM Hoop Cat]

Originally Posted by UVM7680

Checking the UVM men's BB roster to see if anyone new had made an appearance. Almost had a coronary when I couldn't find number 23, Brian Voelkel. Looked again, and there he is... with number ONE? Anyone have any idea why/when?

Not sure of the timing, but at some point that number is going to be retired. That was the number Marqus wore.

Voelkel may want to have his own number to retire- so smart move.

[icemchine9]

Four McGlynn killed this thread...DAMN YOU!

[UVM Hoop Cat]

Guess I was half right on Santo.

Serious roster turnover for a team that won the conference. Did not see so much of it coming. That said, pretty excited about all the new guys coming in and guys that are taking departing players spots.

[Blakely4Prez]

Originally Posted by UVM Hoop Cat

Not sure of the timing, but at some point that number is going to be retired. That was the number Marqus wore.

Voelkel may want to have his own number to retire- so smart move.

Nope, that doesn't have anything to do with it. Talked to someone about this, Voelkel changed to #1 because UVM switched apparel deals to Adidas from Nike. He wanted the number last year, but they had already ordered all his 23 gear from Nike (and in his sizes), so it was too late. They order less of numbers not expected to be on the roster.

[UVM Hoop Cat]

Originally Posted by Blakely4Prez

Nope, that doesn't have anything to do with it. Talked to someone about this, Voelkel changed to #1 because UVM switched apparel deals to Adidas from Nike. He wanted the number last year, but they had already ordered all his 23 gear from Nike (and in his sizes), so it was too late. They order less of numbers not expected to be on the roster.

I wasn't claiming to know why for sure, and am mostly playing around.

My explanation does make sense though. Marqus *should* have his number retired at some point and if Voelkel graduates as our all-time leader in rebounds and assists (on-pace to crush boards and can break assists as well) and gets us back into the NCAA Tournament again, have to think he'd be a very good candidate as well.

Voelkel should have a different number regardless.

[UVM Hoop Cat]

Roberson, Benton, Gaines + inevitable joint ceremony for Coppenrath & Sorrentine + Marqus

Solid group right there. That team would win a couple of games.

[UVMFan2007]

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but you have to at least consider Trimboli. I'm not looking up exact stats now, but he's what? #1 in assists? #3 in points? Yes ok, he didn't win the big one...but he kept this team on the map after Coppenrath and Sorrentine left and he was one helluva player. Commence debate.

[UVM Hoop Cat]

Originally Posted by UVMFan2007

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but you have to at least consider Trimboli. I'm not looking up exact stats now, but he's what? #1 in assists? #3 in points? Yes ok, he didn't win the big one...but he kept this team on the map after Coppenrath and Sorrentine left and he was one helluva player. Commence debate.

I'd retire his jersey, absolutely. 1st in assists and 4th in points, really was the key gut that kept the program at a high level despite tremendous shoes to have to fill (tough act to follow).

[Blakely4Prez]

Originally Posted by UVM Hoop Cat

Roberson, Benton, Gaines + inevitable joint ceremony for Coppenrath & Sorrentine + Marqus

Solid group right there. That team would win a couple of games.

Originally Posted by UVMFan2007

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but you have to at least consider Trimboli. I'm not looking up exact stats now, but he's what? #1 in assists? #3 in points? Yes ok, he didn't win the big one...but he kept this team on the map after Coppenrath and Sorrentine left and he was one helluva player. Commence debate.

A couple things...first, Coppenrath and Sorrentine won't have their numbers retired til atleast 2015 and Marqus 2020, so they won't be at the same time. UVM decided retired number ceremonies needs to coincide with a former player's Hall of Fame induction unless there are other circumstances (Roberson, Gaines). The earliest Marqus would have his retired is 2020, when he's eligible for Hall of Fame induction.

Separately, while players like Voelkel and Trimboli are good and have records (may have records in Voelkel's case), they are not truly elite enough as was Coppenrath/Sorrentine/Marqus to have their numbers retired. We can't retire everyone's who has a good career and not an elite career because, each team only has a maximum of 30 numbers available. You are only allowed 0-5 digits (nobody in college basketball can be #6-9, or 16-19 etc). Right now, UVM has essentially 25 numbers available if you say that 10 - Benton, 33 - Roberson, 45 - Gaines, 11- Sorrentine, and 22 - Coppenrath are retired officially or unofficially.

Add Blakely to that they have 24 numbers to choose from. I just think its a fine line to be "over-retiring" numbers and it should be saved for the truly transcendent and elite players.

[UVM Hoop Cat]

Originally Posted by Blakely4Prez

A couple things...first, Coppenrath and Sorrentine won't have their numbers retired til atleast 2015 and Marqus 2020, so they won't be at the same time. UVM decided retired number ceremonies needs to coincide with a former player's Hall of Fame induction unless there are other circumstances (Roberson, Gaines). The earliest Marqus would have his retired is 2020, when he's eligible for Hall of Fame induction.

Separately, while players like Voelkel and Trimboli are good and have records (may have records in Voelkel's case), they are not truly elite enough as was Coppenrath/Sorrentine/Marqus to have their numbers retired. We can't retire everyone's who has a good career and not an elite career because, each team only has a maximum of 30 numbers available. You are only allowed 0-5 digits (nobody in college basketball can be #6-9, or 16-19 etc). Right now, UVM has essentially 25 numbers available if you say that 10 - Benton, 33 - Roberson, 45 - Gaines, 11- Sorrentine, and 22 - Coppenrath are retired officially or unofficially.

Add Blakely to that they have 24 numbers to choose from. I just think its a fine line to be "over-retiring" numbers and it should be saved for the truly transcendent and elite players.

*Confused* I wrote that Coppenrath & Sorrentine would have their numbers retired at the same time, not Coppenrath/Sorrentine/Blakely. Having a joint ceremony for TC/TJ is simply an assumption on my part, who knows maybe the school will honor each individually. I did not write nor do I believe we would have a ceremony for all 3 greats at the same time.

I stated that Coppenrath/Sorrentine/Blakely will all eventually have their numbers retired. I think that's something that all UVM fans would be in universal agreement on (at least I hope).


As for Trimboli, I can also see arguments against and to be honest I probably don't see him getting his jersey retired- but I would vote for it. UVM Hall of Fame yes, which has a much lower barrier to entry- jersey retirement probably not.

As for Voelkel, it'sof course too early to say now and of course if he suffers injuries, transfers, or simply regresses then it's a moot point- but if he does the hypothetical things I mentioned previously- for example he's on pace to smash Roberson's rebounding record- he will be a transcendent/elite player and well positioned to have his jersey retired. He really shouldn't be wearing #23 any longer.

[uvm4life20]

I personally would put Trimboli ahead of Roberson, Benton, and Gaines. I dont see those players at another level than Trimboli. Atleast Trimboli made a post season tourney. I dont know if Gaines would of had his jersey retired if it wasnt for the tragedy. Roberson didnt dominate reb and blocks much more than Trimboli did with assist, and points. If Trimboli won the big one it wouldnt be a discussion. That's the one knock on him but you can say the same thing about the 3 previous players. UVM has been lucky enough to get all these great players to even have a discussion about who gets retired and running out of jerseys.

Is somebody allowed to have the number 0? what about 00?

[NU Hoop Fan]

Kevin Roberson would have been a stud on any other AE team at the time he played, or at any time in the past/present (except for maybe the Reggie NU teams, Deane's Siena teams and Pitino's BU teams). He was the bright light on some pretty bad UVM teams.

You may not have seen him play, but I've seen UVM play since 1988, and he's better than most guys on their current roster.

Roberson was the guy you didn't want to have beat you when you played UVM back then.

Roberson, Kenny White, Matt Johnson - whether you want to believe it or not, but those guys are the reason UVM is where it is today. They made UVM more relevant when they were highly relevant.

Eddie Benton was a scorer, I don't put him in the same class as Roberson.

Give me those 3 kids as your core today (Roberson, White, Johnson) and you'd win the AE - with ease.

[UVM Hoop Cat]

I've been fortunate enough to see all of these guys play, and IMO the two best are Coppenrath and Roberson. And I agree, Roberson would dominant in today's AE, it would be a joke.

As dominant as Coppenrath was on offense- that's how dominant Roberson was on defense. Third for me would be Blakely- who just did things on both sides of the ball, and athletically, that nobody else could.