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ecasadoSBU · 05-05-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by UAalum72

But for those who like the RPI, Stony Brook is ranked 118

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/rpi/currentrpi.html

Ratings of 5/5, before SBU split with Bing today, while Albany swept Maine.

indeed. now the real question is why the hell is a team ranked 30th with an rpi of 118? does the ncbwa see something we don't?

but your job as a albany fan is to downplay everything accomplished by Sbu. this is probably the first time a AE baseball team is ranked...

oceandogs · 05-05-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ecasadoSBU

indeed. now the real question is why the hell is a team ranked 30th with an rpi of 118? does the ncbwa see something we don't?

Some of our guys, most notably Jankowski, made pretty big names for themselves playing in the Cape last summer and so I think the NCBWA were giving SBU the benefit of the doubt because they were familiar with some of our talent. Personally, I hate the RPI formula. Conference affiliation is crazy important with regards to RPI because of how it measures SOS, and the AE only has one other team that is above .500 on the year and Stony Brook hasn't played them yet.

UAalum72 · 05-06-2012, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ecasadoSBU

indeed. now the real question is why the hell is a team ranked 30th with an rpi of 118? does the ncbwa see something we don't?

but your job as a albany fan is to downplay everything accomplished by Sbu. this is probably the first time a AE baseball team is ranked...

You asked if the baseball writers' poll is 'legit'. Was that a real question, or were you only going to accept 'yes' for an answer?

SBU is still the top-ranked team in AE. But if the NCAA uses RPI for tournament selection, don't expect the top-30 ranking to help you get an at-large bid.

Maybe the reporters see something (in an unpublicized league) that doesn't show up in the numbers. Or maybe they see something that isn't really there. Which is really 'legit'? Same thing happens in football polls vs. computer rankings.

Mainejeff might know if the great Maine teams of the past were ever ranked.

bob87 · 05-06-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by UAalum72

You asked if the baseball writers' poll is 'legit'. Was that a real question, or were you only going to accept 'yes' for an answer?

SBU is still the top-ranked team in AE. But if the NCAA uses RPI for tournament selection, don't expect the top-30 ranking to help you get an at-large bid.

Maybe the reporters see something (in an unpublicized league) that doesn't show up in the numbers. Or maybe they see something that isn't really there. Which is really 'legit'? Same thing happens in football polls vs. computer rankings.

Mainejeff might know if the great Maine teams of the past were ever ranked.

LOL, it certainly seems he is looking for validation rather then an honest opinion. Whatever, he can get mad at my opinion as well.
I saw Clemson this season(vs Miami). I don't think SBU is better than them or a top 30 team, but we sill see. If they can win the AE and 2 games in the NCAA they will show that are a legit team. If they fall short again in the AE tourney, they are overhyped.
At the very least any of Clemson, Coastal Carolina and Auburn would likely come out a 4 team bracket with this years Maine, UA and Bingo.

ecasadoSBU · 05-06-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UAalum72

You asked if the baseball writers' poll is 'legit'. Was that a real question, or were you only going to accept 'yes' for an answer?

You didn't answer if NCBWA is legit or not. You simply wrote "But for those who like the RPI, Stony Brook is ranked 118"... Does that mean the NCBWA is legit or not? Sounds like its unrelated. It looks like you needed to point out the RPI, telling me things I already know.

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SBU is still the top-ranked team in AE. But if the NCAA uses RPI for tournament selection, don't expect the top-30 ranking to help you get an at-large bid.

When did I ever talk about NCAA selection? or at-large bid? I could care less about at-large. I want a conference championship. I want SBU to crush Maine/Albany/Binghamton and anyone else on their way, to avenge last years early exit. I don't care for at large BUT, Stony Brook got strong NCAA committee consideration a year ago (firs four out) so I don't see impossible to get an at large

All I asked is whether people trust the poll or not... that alls

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Maybe the reporters see something (in an unpublicized league) that doesn't show up in the numbers. Or maybe they see something that isn't really there. Which is really 'legit'? Same thing happens in football polls vs. computer rankings.

This is all you need it to say. your opinion about the legitimacy of the poll... Everything else is just filler bull***

ecasadoSBU · 05-06-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bob87

LOL, it certainly seems he is looking for validation rather then an honest opinion.

Not true

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Whatever, he can get mad at my opinion as well.
I saw Clemson this season(vs Miami). I don't think SBU is better than them or a top 30 team, but we sill see. If they can win the AE and 2 games in the NCAA they will show that are a legit team. If they fall short again in the AE tourney, they are overhyped.
At the very least any of Clemson, Coastal Carolina and Auburn would likely come out a 4 team bracket with this years Maine, UA and Bingo.

There you Go! I'll take your opinion Bob. Very honest and with no filler bull...unlike the previous one. Clearly on a different tone than UAlum72. You feel me?

BTW. How do you feel after such a terrible weekend out here at SBU. Haven't seen you around the OT:Lacrosse thread ever since friday night... Still recovering?

SaltySeawolf · 05-07-2012, 05:27 AM

If Ecasado was looking for validation, and I don't think for a second he was, why would he turn to you guys? Albany and its fans are dinosaurs in the world of competitive sports. Your time has come and gone and you are extinct. Im sure Ecasado would much rather hear from fans of relevant programs such as Vermont, Boston U, Maine, New Hampshire, Hartford,Binghamton, and UMBC.

UAalum72 · 05-07-2012, 06:10 AM

Touchy (and by that, I don't want to feel you).

You didn't indicate you knew about your RPI rank. To point out that two ratings are so different shows that there's room for differing opinions. I thought by 'legit' you meant 'meaningful', not 'well-known'.

I apologize for not being worshipful of the seawolfs. So congratulations on your showing at the conference track and field championships. and at women's lacrosse.

umainealum · 05-07-2012, 06:47 AM

Not sure if rankings even existed, but Maine has been to the College World Series 7 times (1964, 1976, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 & 1986). They finished #3 in 1964, #4 in 1976 and #3 in 1982. I can only assume they would have had a pretty high national ranking during those 7 years, esp those 3 where they won at least 2 games in the College World Series in Omaha.

ecasadoSBU · 05-07-2012, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by UAalum72

I apologize for not being worshipful of the seawolfs. So congratulations on your showing at the conference track and field championships. and at women's lacrosse.

Keep rocking the Track & Field. That should be Albany's main sport, oh, and Women's lacrosse!

ecasadoSBU · 05-07-2012, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by umainealum

Not sure if rankings even existed, but Maine has been to the College World Series 7 times (1964, 1976, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 & 1986). They finished #3 in 1964, #4 in 1976 and #3 in 1982. I can only assume they would have had a pretty high national ranking during those 7 years, esp those 3 where they won at least 2 games in the College World Series in Omaha.

Amazing!!! Thanks for the in info!

oceandogs · 05-07-2012, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ecasadoSBU

Keep rocking the Track & Field. That should be Albany's main sport, oh, and Women's lacrosse!

The funny thing about track and field is despite all of Albany's AE championships, Stony Brook is still the more relevant track program. Our women's team finished 23 in the country at indoor nationals.

BingGrad · 05-07-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by oceandogs

The funny thing about track and field is despite all of Albany's AE championships, Stony Brook is still the more relevant track program. Our women's team finished 23 in the country at indoor nationals.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Well, yes, Stony Brook was in a 5-way tie for 23rd place in the Women's NCAA's this year but this was on the back of a single runner who scored the team's only points. That same team that took "23rd" nationally just came in 8th in the America East. Once the great Ms. Van Dalen graduates, SBU will be as irrelevant as ever on the national (and even regional) scene

Albany is consistently a top 5 program in the Northeast -- probably more on the Men's side than on the Women's, but the Women's team is still quite strong. Albany men are in a bit of a down year in 2012, while Binghamton and Boston U. probably have their strongest teams in a few years -- and we still couldn't beat them.

I guess talking about track makes this now a Double OT post.

bob87 · 05-07-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ecasadoSBU

Not true

There you Go! I'll take your opinion Bob. Very honest and with no filler bull...unlike the previous one. Clearly on a different tone than UAlum72. You feel me?

BTW. How do you feel after such a terrible weekend out here at SBU. Haven't seen you around the OT:Lacrosse thread ever since friday night... Still recovering?

Actually I did not make it down Saturday and went to the baseball games all weekend. I knew they lost but wanted to watch the replay on ESPNU Sunday without knowing all the details of the game.
Obviously they needed me ( and more) in that 3rd quarter.

oceandogs · 05-07-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BingGrad

Nothing could be further from the truth. Well, yes, Stony Brook was in a 5-way tie for 23rd place in the Women's NCAA's this year but this was on the back of a single runner who scored the team's only points. That same team that took "23rd" nationally just came in 8th in the America East. Once the great Ms. Van Dalen graduates, SBU will be as irrelevant as ever on the national (and even regional) scene

Albany is consistently a top 5 program in the Northeast -- probably more on the Men's side than on the Women's, but the Women's team is still quite strong. Albany men are in a bit of a down year in 2012, while Binghamton and Boston U. probably have their strongest teams in a few years -- and we still couldn't beat them.

I guess talking about track makes this now a Double OT post.

Albany has an impressive team and are good at every event, but they would trouble scoring any points in high major conferences. Stony Brook had an athlete win an event at nationals while Albany didn't have any athletes qualify. I don't know how you can argue that Albany is more nationally relevant. Albany has a much better mid major program, quite frankly a very impressive mid-major program, but they're not nationally relevant.

Stony Brook women's distance is becoming a national entity. They finished 7th at nationals in 2010 which is unbelievable considering how many schools field women's cross country and this past fall without the Van Dalen twins won their 5th consecutive AE title in cross, and had all american in Haley Green. They are a lot more than just Lucy Van Dalen.

sorry for going off topic. UAalum72 started it.

05-07-2012, 05:27 AM	#52 (permalink)
SaltySeawolf Veteran Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,081 Rep Power: 11770	Re: OT Baseball If Ecasado was looking for validation, and I don't think for a second he was, why would he turn to you guys? Albany and its fans are dinosaurs in the world of competitive sports. Your time has come and gone and you are extinct. Im sure Ecasado would much rather hear from fans of relevant programs such as Vermont, Boston U, Maine, New Hampshire, Hartford,Binghamton, and UMBC.

05-07-2012, 06:10 AM	#53 (permalink)
UAalum72 Veteran Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gateway to the Mohawk Valley Posts: 1,174 Rep Power: 175	Re: OT Baseball Touchy (and by that, I don't want to feel you). You didn't indicate you knew about your RPI rank. To point out that two ratings are so different shows that there's room for differing opinions. I thought by 'legit' you meant 'meaningful', not 'well-known'. I apologize for not being worshipful of the seawolfs. So congratulations on your showing at the conference track and field championships. and at women's lacrosse. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " - B. Franklin

05-07-2012, 06:47 AM	#54 (permalink)
umainealum Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,475 Rep Power: 28923	Re: OT Baseball Not sure if rankings even existed, but Maine has been to the College World Series 7 times (1964, 1976, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 & 1986). They finished #3 in 1964, #4 in 1976 and #3 in 1982. I can only assume they would have had a pretty high national ranking during those 7 years, esp those 3 where they won at least 2 games in the College World Series in Omaha. __________________ UMaine - the epitome of mediocrity Proud supporter of an AMERICA EAST team that made a coaching change...

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