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Dane96 · 05-01-2012, 09:14 PM

Don't you put in out clauses for singers who Sophomorically slump?

Indeed...this will get fun fast...and I firmly believe that if done right, the AE has some leverage. It wasn't too long ago that AE Football and AE Hockey sat on the precipice. BU...screwed everyone. I surmise that if done correctly, we could have a similar setup very quickly.

Questions that need answering:

1. Does UA really want full scholly football?
2. Do the President's put the pressure on BU?
3. Does BU realize they are not getting an invite to any mid-major league in the near future?
4. Do the conference President's realize the importance of having a solid Hoops, Football, and Lacrosse league under one banner?
5. Does the CAA go further south to merge with the Southern?
6. If so, how does Hofstra (another school on the outside looking in) and Northeastern feel about "coming home"?
7. What will William & Mary and Richmond do? Villanova is a much easier question; they can go Patriot or FBS if the CAA/AE merger does not occur or if they CAA goes by the wayside.
8. What will Delaware do? They have shown no desire to go to FBS and are far away from ramping up.
9. Towson will just follow Delaware.
10. Why did James Madison get the shaft? With what they had, they are the only ready made FBS school. Are they one of 2 in waiting, i.e. it looks like C-USA wants to go to 16...and they are at 14. Or did ODU "neg" them...which will be a political missive in Virginia. Or...as Danefan and I chatted about, are they a Big East target. With BE television money, they can go to the state and ask them to float a bond so they can finish off their stadium. Bang...you have one of the coolest 60,000 seat stadiums in the country, something ODU cannot match.

Oh...the ride will be fun, and I have to admit...I hope UA staffers weren't blowing smoke up our butts about full scholly football!

mainejeff · 05-02-2012, 03:56 AM

I really didn't think that such a mass exodus from the CAA would happen this fast, but it looks like it will. With only 8 members left (7 if you exclude UNCW.......you can count on them being gone eventually as well), it looks like this is shaping up as a battle between AE and the CAA for control of the FCS football conference. Stony Brook is now COMPLETELY an obvious shoe-in to the CAA..........but all of a sudden, is it really even worth it to make the move when you see what will be left (mostly former AE members!) JMU will be gone as soon as they get an invite from the Sunbelt or MAC.......and as Dane96 stated, W&M looks like they are ticketed for the Patriot (along with Richmond as a football affiliate just like Georgetown is). Take away those 2 and then you are literally down to the AE5.......pretty freakin ironic!

What that means is that AE holds the power in terms of numbers and geography. No one from the AE5 will be receiving an invite from A10 (sorry NU, Hofstra, and Drexel)........and Delaware and Towson have NO WHERE to go (the Southern?......yeah, right). I think what this means is that AE will be able to hand pick 3 of the 5 to get to 12 members. Delaware and Towson will be the 2 obvious choices. But then who?????

Hofstra - Nice travel partner and rival for Stony Brook, strong men's hoop and lacrosse, broad based program with field hockey, baseball and softball.

Drexel - Philly presence currently lacking in AE, strong men's hoop program, but lacking in facilities and AE sponsored sports (baseball, softball)

NU - Traditional AE member, travel parter and rival for BU, more Boston presence, has baseball and field hockey programs.

That would be tough to choose between those 3............but the winner IMO is............Hofstra.

Maine
UNH
Vermont
BU
Hartford
Albany

Binghamton
Stony Brook
Hofstra
Delaware
Towson
UMBC

3 football affiliates TBD.

bosiydid · 05-02-2012, 06:20 AM

Who thought a year ago this is how it would go...????

Urban Barrister · 05-02-2012, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mainejeff

I really didn't think that such a mass exodus from the CAA would happen this fast, but it looks like it will. With only 8 members left (7 if you exclude UNCW.......you can count on them being gone eventually as well), it looks like this is shaping up as a battle between AE and the CAA for control of the FCS football conference. Stony Brook is now COMPLETELY an obvious shoe-in to the CAA..........but all of a sudden, is it really even worth it to make the move when you see what will be left (mostly former AE members!) JMU will be gone as soon as they get an invite from the Sunbelt or MAC.......and as Dane96 stated, W&M looks like they are ticketed for the Patriot (along with Richmond as a football affiliate just like Georgetown is). Take away those 2 and then you are literally down to the AE5.......pretty freakin ironic!

What that means is that AE holds the power in terms of numbers and geography. No one from the AE5 will be receiving an invite from A10 (sorry NU, Hofstra, and Drexel)........and Delaware and Towson have NO WHERE to go (the Southern?......yeah, right). I think what this means is that AE will be able to hand pick 3 of the 5 to get to 12 members. Delaware and Towson will be the 2 obvious choices. But then who?????

Hofstra - Nice travel partner and rival for Stony Brook, strong men's hoop and lacrosse, broad based program with field hockey, baseball and softball.

Drexel - Philly presence currently lacking in AE, strong men's hoop program, but lacking in facilities and AE sponsored sports (baseball, softball)

NU - Traditional AE member, travel parter and rival for BU, more Boston presence, has baseball and field hockey programs.

That would be tough to choose between those 3............but the winner IMO is............Hofstra.

Maine
UNH
Vermont
BU
Hartford
Albany

Binghamton
Stony Brook
Hofstra
Delaware
Towson
UMBC

3 football affiliates TBD.

I just hope to God schools like SBU can look past the initial thrill of "moving up" to realize that a move to the CAA no longer represents a "move up".

I also hope our current Commish is a little more on the ball than our last few.

Lastly, I wonder to what extent (if any) the SUNY Chancellor and NYS Governor are watching any of this and care what happens. If they did, one imagines the could have some influence over things if they were willing to "suggest" that SBU and Albany stay in the AE and TTY to orchestrate things in the AE with Bing rather than fleeing to the CAA. Amazingly enough, I have to believe that the three SUNYs, together, hold as much sway over how things turn out as any other schools in the conference.

**UVM Hoop Cat** · 05-02-2012, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bosiydid

Who thought a year ago this is how it would go...????

It's pretty ironic- CAA has gone from being the "it" place to...abandon ship.

bosiydid · 05-02-2012, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UVM Hoop Cat

It's pretty ironic- CAA has gone from being the "it" place to...abandon ship.

If the AE can somehow bring football in house...screw the CAA.

TerrierNation · 05-02-2012, 07:49 AM

To the folks who know FCS football: is it possible that the Patriot League makes a push and becomes the best northeast FCS football conference? I can easily see them bringing in William & Mary and Richmond and Villanova as associate members.

Aceinthehole · 05-02-2012, 08:15 AM

I don't know, I'm still not totally sold that this is the demise of the CAA (although I agree it's going to be a huge downgrade). I really think this is a fluid situtation and can go a couple of different ways.

Are any local reporters from UA, SBU, UNH, Maine, etc. asking questions and covering this story?

ecasadoSBU · 05-02-2012, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bosiydid

If the AE can somehow bring football in house...screw the CAA.

If the AE forms a football conference then I have no problem with SBU staying in the AE. I just don't want SBU to stay in the Big South for more than 2 years. It would be great to have AE football and it would definitely be a great FCS football conference.

UNH, ALBANY, MAINE, STONY BROOK! + 3 affiliates would be awesome

UNH_Alum_In_CT · 05-02-2012, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerrierNation

To the folks who know FCS football: is it possible that the Patriot League makes a push and becomes the best northeast FCS football conference? I can easily see them bringing in William & Mary and Richmond and Villanova as associate members.

While scholarships definitely make this feasible, I just don't see any of those schools choosing to adhere to the Academic Index (AI) standards the Patriot lives by (for football anyway). W&M and Richmond might find a SoCon without App State and GA Southern to their liking though. Or because a significant percentage of their student body and I assume alumni are Mid-Atlantic and Northeast, they might chose to stay associated with Delaware, Towson and the Northeast football schools.

UNH_Alum_In_CT · 05-02-2012, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecasadoSBU

If the AE forms a football conference then I have no problem with SBU staying in the AE. I just don't want SBU to stay in the Big South for more than 2 years. It would be great to have AE football and it would definitely be a great FCS football conference.

UNH, ALBANY, MAINE, STONY BROOK! + 3 affiliates would be awesome

Beg to differ, that's not an awesome conference when you don't have six full members. Don't forget that to keep the AQ you have to have six schools. I'd prefer not to be like the Patriot League where my AQ is always at risk because I have to rely on two affiliates (Fordham and Georgetown in their case). Plus, you don't want to have to schedule five OOC games.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see these four schools together in a full scholarship (or at least counter status) FCS Football League! I'm hoping that out of all this rubble that these four end up with Delaware and Towson as the core of such a league. Preferably in an all sports league. At least that way your required six schools are full members. Would prefer a couple more full members playing football for security. I just want this to happen, don't care if the banner says AE or CAA. Based on history though, it will probably be the CAA that makes something happen. The count is 0-2 on the AEC, fastball coming right over the heart of the plate! More like a softball sitting on a batting tee!!

It's too bad Northeastern didn't hang in there because I think they'd have been content in this association. And without taking advantage of Northeastern's move, maybe Hofstra is still playing football today.

mainejeff · 05-03-2012, 03:58 AM

America East may very well have more members fall into their lap without even doing anything if the mass CAA exodus continues. Has a conference ever done so little but possibly gain so much membership wise?

Again.......prime targets in order:

1. Delaware
2. Towson
3. Hofstra
4. Northeastern
5. Drexel

BingGrad · 05-03-2012, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mainejeff

America East may very well have more members fall into their lap without even doing anything if the mass CAA exodus continues. Has a conference ever done so little but possibly gain so much membership wise?

Again.......prime targets in order:

1. Delaware
2. Towson
3. Hofstra
4. Northeastern
5. Drexel

If the AE is going to capitalize by taking in the CAA football conference then Delaware and Towson make plenty of sense. I don't see how the others would make any sense, though. As a one-bid basketball league, now and for the foreseeable future there's no point in maximizing your membership.

On the other hand, if the AE isn't going to take control of the football league then we can expect to lose some of our football schools to the CAA and it would probably make sense to take back the bottom three in your list.

Aceinthehole · 05-03-2012, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BingGrad

If the AE is going to capitalize by taking in the CAA football conference then Delaware and Towson make plenty of sense. I don't see how the others would make any sense, though. As a one-bid basketball league, now and for the foreseeable future there's no point in maximizing your membership.

On the other hand, if the AE isn't going to take control of the football league then we can expect to lose some of our football schools to the CAA and it would probably make sense to take back the bottom three in your list.

Exactly. Why does UVM, UHa, Bing and UMBC want NU, Hofstra, and Dreexel "back" to the current AE setup?

UD and Towson are ideal candidates for the AE - ONLY IF they want to sponsor FCS football!

How about a CAA-AE merger (swap) and expansion?

CAA
1. Delaware
2. Towson
3. William & Mary
4. James Madison
+ 5. Maine
+ 6. New Hampshire
+ 7. Albany
+ 8. Stony Brook
+ 9. Central Conn.
+ 10. Rhode Isand (football only)
+ 11. Villanova (football only)
+ 12. Richmond (football only)

America East
1. Vermont
2. Boston U.
3. Hartford
4. Binghamton
5. UMBC
+ 6. Northeastern
+ 7. Hofstra
+ 8. Drexel
+ 9. Quinnipiac

Both leagues are 1-bid basketball conferences with 9 teams.

The 'CAA' would be public universities in the Northeast/Mid-Atalntic that sponsor FCS football (with 3 FB-only affilates). Split the league N/S for scheduling.
North - Maine, UNH, UA, SBU, CCSU, URI
South - UD, Towson, W&M, JMU, 'Nova, Richmond

fast789 · 05-03-2012, 08:00 AM

I posted this in the other thread, but perhaps this belongs here????

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/colle...ent=Basketball

Quote:

Butler isn’t Syracuse or Pittsburgh or Missouri, but the Bulldogs have proven they can play with the big boys in college basketball. Now they will get a chance to prove it on a more regular basis.
As reported in The Post two weeks ago, the Atlantic 10 announced Wednesday it is adding Butler in 2013. The Bulldogs replace Temple, which is leaving for the Big East.
But what comes next could drastically change the look and direction of college athletics on the Eastern seaboard. The creation of a new conference, featuring programs poised to upgrade from FCS to FBS status, is being seriously explored by many institutions.
Most of those programs are in the Colonial Athletic Association but there are others in the America East Conference that could be in play. The timetable could be decided somewhat by the decisions made by George Mason and Virginia Commonwealth, two NCAA Tournament-proven programs.
Both CAA schools could join the A-10 as soon as this month.
“At this point and time, we’re excited, we’re celebrating Butler joining the league,” A-10 commissioner Bernadette McGlade said yesterday. “As far as future membership decisions, right now, all of that is really fluid right now. It would be premature to be able to say definitively today that there will be no more membership decisions.”
One source said it was a done deal George Mason and VCU were headed to the A-10. The only obstacle preventing those programs from leaving now is the CAA’s policy forbidding a school that is leaving the league from playing in its conference tournament, thus making an NCAA berth extremely difficult to achieve.
Another source said the CAA office has been working furiously to convince those programs to stay. At the end of the day, of course, money probably will be the deciding factor.
If those two schools leave for the A-10, the major restructuring could be expedited. Schools such as Delaware, New Hampshire and Richmond along with other CAA members, could look for additional partners to form the new league.
One source said the amount of conversation between those schools and other perspective partners has been intense.
“People have been burning up the lines,’’ the source said. “Or cell minutes these days.’’

05-01-2012, 09:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
Dane96 Star Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 3,414 Rep Power: 23593	Re: CAA membership Don't you put in out clauses for singers who Sophomorically slump? Indeed...this will get fun fast...and I firmly believe that if done right, the AE has some leverage. It wasn't too long ago that AE Football and AE Hockey sat on the precipice. BU...screwed everyone. I surmise that if done correctly, we could have a similar setup very quickly. Questions that need answering: 1. Does UA really want full scholly football? 2. Do the President's put the pressure on BU? 3. Does BU realize they are not getting an invite to any mid-major league in the near future? 4. Do the conference President's realize the importance of having a solid Hoops, Football, and Lacrosse league under one banner? 5. Does the CAA go further south to merge with the Southern? 6. If so, how does Hofstra (another school on the outside looking in) and Northeastern feel about "coming home"? 7. What will William & Mary and Richmond do? Villanova is a much easier question; they can go Patriot or FBS if the CAA/AE merger does not occur or if they CAA goes by the wayside. 8. What will Delaware do? They have shown no desire to go to FBS and are far away from ramping up. 9. Towson will just follow Delaware. 10. Why did James Madison get the shaft? With what they had, they are the only ready made FBS school. Are they one of 2 in waiting, i.e. it looks like C-USA wants to go to 16...and they are at 14. Or did ODU "neg" them...which will be a political missive in Virginia. Or...as Danefan and I chatted about, are they a Big East target. With BE television money, they can go to the state and ask them to float a bond so they can finish off their stadium. Bang...you have one of the coolest 60,000 seat stadiums in the country, something ODU cannot match. Oh...the ride will be fun, and I have to admit...I hope UA staffers weren't blowing smoke up our butts about full scholly football!

05-02-2012, 03:56 AM	#17 (permalink)
mainejeff All-Star Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,208 Rep Power: 37820	Re: CAA membership I really didn't think that such a mass exodus from the CAA would happen this fast, but it looks like it will. With only 8 members left (7 if you exclude UNCW.......you can count on them being gone eventually as well), it looks like this is shaping up as a battle between AE and the CAA for control of the FCS football conference. Stony Brook is now COMPLETELY an obvious shoe-in to the CAA..........but all of a sudden, is it really even worth it to make the move when you see what will be left (mostly former AE members!) JMU will be gone as soon as they get an invite from the Sunbelt or MAC.......and as Dane96 stated, W&M looks like they are ticketed for the Patriot (along with Richmond as a football affiliate just like Georgetown is). Take away those 2 and then you are literally down to the AE5.......pretty freakin ironic! What that means is that AE holds the power in terms of numbers and geography. No one from the AE5 will be receiving an invite from A10 (sorry NU, Hofstra, and Drexel)........and Delaware and Towson have NO WHERE to go (the Southern?......yeah, right). I think what this means is that AE will be able to hand pick 3 of the 5 to get to 12 members. Delaware and Towson will be the 2 obvious choices. But then who????? Hofstra - Nice travel partner and rival for Stony Brook, strong men's hoop and lacrosse, broad based program with field hockey, baseball and softball. Drexel - Philly presence currently lacking in AE, strong men's hoop program, but lacking in facilities and AE sponsored sports (baseball, softball) NU - Traditional AE member, travel parter and rival for BU, more Boston presence, has baseball and field hockey programs. That would be tough to choose between those 3............but the winner IMO is............Hofstra. Maine UNH Vermont BU Hartford Albany Binghamton Stony Brook Hofstra Delaware Towson UMBC 3 football affiliates TBD.

05-02-2012, 06:20 AM	#18 (permalink)
bosiydid All-Star Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,537 Rep Power: 16484	Re: CAA membership Who thought a year ago this is how it would go...???? __________________ Albany basketball season ticket holder since..........June'06

05-02-2012, 07:49 AM	#22 (permalink)
TerrierNation Veteran Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,085 Rep Power: 7654	Re: CAA membership To the folks who know FCS football: is it possible that the Patriot League makes a push and becomes the best northeast FCS football conference? I can easily see them bringing in William & Mary and Richmond and Villanova as associate members.

05-02-2012, 08:15 AM	#23 (permalink)
Aceinthehole Veteran Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,534 Rep Power: 8611	Re: CAA membership I don't know, I'm still not totally sold that this is the demise of the CAA (although I agree it's going to be a huge downgrade). I really think this is a fluid situtation and can go a couple of different ways. Are any local reporters from UA, SBU, UNH, Maine, etc. asking questions and covering this story?

05-03-2012, 03:58 AM	#27 (permalink)
mainejeff All-Star Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,208 Rep Power: 37820	Re: CAA membership America East may very well have more members fall into their lap without even doing anything if the mass CAA exodus continues. Has a conference ever done so little but possibly gain so much membership wise? Again.......prime targets in order: 1. Delaware 2. Towson 3. Hofstra 4. Northeastern 5. Drexel

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