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**UVM Hoop Cat** · 08-31-2012, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by umainealum

Huh? Look, I would love to have the tradition of Vermont MBB and you guys have played some great teams & games, but come on now...I highlighted those 4 leagues as you shouldn't include them, but in regards to the CAA & MAAC, most definitely. Here are those games:

2011-12 - lost by 2 vs South Florida, lost by 19 at St. Louis
2010-11 - lost by 16 at UConn
2009-10 - won by 6 at Rutgers, lost by 42 at Providence, lost by 23 vs Syracuse
2008-09 - lost by 15 at Maryland, lost by 29 at Pitt, won by 25 vs Colorado (the Buffs went 9-22, also losing to Montana State & Buffalo), won by 11 vs GW, lost by 1 at Oregon State
2007-08 - lost by 18 vs Virginia, lost by 25 vs Florida (I know...you didn't mention the SEC)
2006-07 - lost by 18 at Maryland, won by 14 at BC, lost by 20 at Mich State, lost by 2 vs Kansas State
2005-06 - lost by 10 at Providence, lost by 11 at Pitt
2004-05 - lost by 7 at Kansas, lost by 28 at North Carolina, beat Syracuse by 3, lost to Mich State by 11
2003-04 - lost by 12 at UMass, lost by 1 at UCLA, lost by 38 at Rhode Island, lost by 17 vs UConn
2002-03 - lost by 11 at Providence, lost by 26 at North Carolina, lost by 29 vs Arizona

5 wins in the last 10 years vs those 4 highlighted conferences would hardly be considered "consistent"...again, not trying to diminish what vermont basketball has accomplished as I would kill for Maine to have that kind of tradition. Just don't embellish the accomplishments as outside of the obvious exception of Syracuse in the NCAA Tournament, the other 4 wins aren't that spectacular.

It's not an embellishment at all. Of course we're not consistently winning all our games in those specific conferences- but we have been consistently beating teams well above the AE pay grade- which is my point- and teams have come from the conferences I've mentioned. I used the word consistently because as you've shown above it hasn't been a one-time occurrence.

And you should include conferences like the CAA & MAAC- again, it's part of my main point. We don't need to be in a conference with them to show we can compete- we can just schedule them OOC and beat them.

**UVM Hoop Cat** · 08-31-2012, 05:31 AM

Add in WAC, Mid-American, Horizon League..

NU Hoop Fan · 09-01-2012, 04:19 AM

My $0.02 on this whole Loyola to PL and ripple effects.

1. Siena isn't a CAA candidate. They only bring hoops to the table, and even now that is a highly diluted product (thanks Mitch!!!). With Albany in the fold for football, I don't think Yeager would blindside UA by adding Siena for all sports, he's not that kind of guy.

2. The MAAC has small schools of somewhat "similar" religious backgrounds (I'm Jewish, and while I respect the different versions of Christianity represented in the MAAC, they've always wanted smaller private religious backed organizations). I can't see them grabbing QC or anyone like that. Maybe, maybe a Monmouth or a Mt. St. Mary's - or in a longshot, St. Bonnie's.

3. The CAA would be more than happy at 10. The Rhody move to stay in the CAA for football lessened the blow if Davidson says no (then we wouldn't need to add an additional team or two for football), and solidified football. However, Rhody's decision to stay could also mean that App State sees the stability and makes the jump - with or without Davidson.

4. The "next" team in the PL? Well, there's a big gaping market between Boston and NYC, and that's the State of Connecticut. Does the PL go for Fairfield? I don't know. It does fit the academic profile, but the school is severely hurting financially. They do make sense.

NU Hoop Fan · 09-01-2012, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mainejeff

Agreed..........but the CAA additions are the key for America East stability. We absolutely need the CAA to add 3 (or more) SoCon members to gain stability now........and into the future.

Also, you can bet your bottom dollar that Delaware and Towson have America East as their "exit strategy" if the CAA falls apart eventually. That is why AE will have to tread carefully in deciding who to add as future members. On one hand they absolutely need to add 1 member.......but they need to save 2-3 open spots........just in case.

Much to Jeff's chagrin, there are three schools with standing "offers" to return to the AE as an "exit strategy" and they're not Delaware and Towson. Heard it directly from AD's at existing AE schools - there's an "understanding" that all are welcome back, individually or as a group.

mainejeff · 09-01-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NU Hoop Fan

Much to Jeff's chagrin, there are three schools with standing "offers" to return to the AE as an "exit strategy" and they're not Delaware and Towson. Heard it directly from AD's at existing AE schools - there's an "understanding" that all are welcome back, individually or as a group.

I don't buy that one.

All things being equal, I guarantee you that Delaware and Towson would be #1 and #2 on the list. Not saying that they would or will come back..........but do you SERIOUSLY think that Drexel and Hofstra are in line before Delaware and Towson??? NO WAY that Stony Brook allows Hofstra back in now anyway, so that point is moot. I will begrudgingly give you NU being on the AE wish list because they desperately want a school in Boston and NU has sports that AE needs from new members (baseball, field hockey). Personally, I feel like Drexel is an absolutely POOR choice to ever return.........their athletic is one of the most flimsy in the region for a school their size.

**UVM Hoop Cat** · 09-05-2012, 06:29 AM

From Andy Katz the other day. Doesn't really say much except to call the CAA, MAAC, and AE "middling" conferences:

"3. The next wave of basketball alignment to watch will come from the America East, MAAC and CAA as those three middling conferences attempt to replace key departures. The America East and MAAC will be vying for the same teams while the CAA continues to likely look at poaching from the Southern Conference."

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...3-point-shot-8

mainejeff · 10-17-2012, 04:52 AM

So Davidson has said NO........C of C is up next.

Dane96 pushing hard for Albany, Stony Brook and UNH all-sports membership over at the CAAZone...............

Not sure why anyone would want to join that conference right now.......especially after having secured football membership. What is left over there that screams future greatness and stability????

SaltySeawolf · 10-17-2012, 06:51 AM

Stony Brook is not going to waste its time trying to join the CAA - next stop for the Seawolves - FBS conference.

ccd494 · 10-17-2012, 06:56 AM

And an 8 team AE with 3 schools rumored to be leaving is stable?

Dane96 · 10-17-2012, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mainejeff

So Davidson has said NO........C of C is up next.

Dane96 pushing hard for Albany, Stony Brook and UNH all-sports membership over at the CAAZone...............

Not sure why anyone would want to join that conference right now.......especially after having secured football membership. What is left over there that screams future greatness and stability????

Haha...not pushing hard.

Here is what I see:

I honest to g-d see JMU leaving. I don't see UD leaving. I see no reason for any of the schools to want Furman, Elon or Coastal...unless it truly wants to be southern centric. Those schools have less in common with the most of the CAA.

I see an NBC contract...that none of those three cities bringing any sort of market to the table in order for NBC to make money off of advertising slots.

So...what I see is an eventual push back to a Yankee Conference style of league. IF that happens...i think Maine, b/c of football, is back in the picture and I think you sadly see a split of the AE/CAA(whatever its called) into two or three different leagues:

All Sport Football
All Sport Hoops North
All Sport Hoops South

The last two do not support football.

It makes TOO much sense institution-wise

Dane96 · 10-17-2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SaltySeawolf

Stony Brook is not going to waste its time trying to join the CAA - next stop for the Seawolves - FBS conference.

Wouldn't be so sure on this one!

Case in point:

SBU expanding to 10,000 football seats...and 15,000 in the future as publicly announced this week. 15,000 is the minimum attendence requirement...but I highly doubt even the MAC takes a school with a 15,000 seat stadium.

That said, I have another reason to know that FBS isn't on the immediate table...

"Here's my number...call me maybe"

farfromtheshow · 10-17-2012, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SaltySeawolf

Stony Brook is not going to waste its time trying to join the CAA - next stop for the Seawolves - FBS conference.

Jumping straight from the America East to an FBS conference in all sports is highly unlikely... there would most likely be an intermediate step in-between.

ccd494 · 10-17-2012, 08:01 AM

Either way... UA/SBU are the linchpins. They can basically decide what they want here. Whichever conference they pick, they are basically dooming the other. The AE without those two basically becomes 5 schools looking for a life raft.

The CAA without those two is bracing for JMU's (and maybe GMU's) defection, or adding schools that are unappealing for whatever reason.

bosiydid · 10-17-2012, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by farfromtheshow

Jumping straight from the America East to an FBS conference in all sports is highly unlikely... there would most likely be an intermediate step in-between.

Come on...did you guys really not pick up on Salty being Salty?

**UVM Hoop Cat** · 10-17-2012, 08:29 AM

The CAA and AE are both weaker as a result of defections- but that's what one would expect when conferences lose key members.

It shouldn't be a surprise Davidson wouldn't want to join the CAA that same reason it's not a surprise Quinnipiac probably doesn't want to join the AE.

08-31-2012, 05:31 AM	#497 (permalink)
UVM Hoop Cat -PREMIUM MEMBER- Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 17,453 Rep Power: 62496	Re: CAA membership Add in WAC, Mid-American, Horizon League.. __________________ "Let's win this game for all the small schools that never had a chance to get here" - Hoosiers, & UVM mens basketball NCAA's 2005

09-01-2012, 04:19 AM	#498 (permalink)
NU Hoop Fan All-Star Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 5,084 Rep Power: 32212	Re: CAA membership My $0.02 on this whole Loyola to PL and ripple effects. 1. Siena isn't a CAA candidate. They only bring hoops to the table, and even now that is a highly diluted product (thanks Mitch!!!). With Albany in the fold for football, I don't think Yeager would blindside UA by adding Siena for all sports, he's not that kind of guy. 2. The MAAC has small schools of somewhat "similar" religious backgrounds (I'm Jewish, and while I respect the different versions of Christianity represented in the MAAC, they've always wanted smaller private religious backed organizations). I can't see them grabbing QC or anyone like that. Maybe, maybe a Monmouth or a Mt. St. Mary's - or in a longshot, St. Bonnie's. 3. The CAA would be more than happy at 10. The Rhody move to stay in the CAA for football lessened the blow if Davidson says no (then we wouldn't need to add an additional team or two for football), and solidified football. However, Rhody's decision to stay could also mean that App State sees the stability and makes the jump - with or without Davidson. 4. The "next" team in the PL? Well, there's a big gaping market between Boston and NYC, and that's the State of Connecticut. Does the PL go for Fairfield? I don't know. It does fit the academic profile, but the school is severely hurting financially. They do make sense. __________________ Today is the first day of the next 86 years!

09-05-2012, 06:29 AM	#501 (permalink)
UVM Hoop Cat -PREMIUM MEMBER- Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 17,453 Rep Power: 62496	Re: CAA membership From Andy Katz the other day. Doesn't really say much except to call the CAA, MAAC, and AE "middling" conferences: "3. The next wave of basketball alignment to watch will come from the America East, MAAC and CAA as those three middling conferences attempt to replace key departures. The America East and MAAC will be vying for the same teams while the CAA continues to likely look at poaching from the Southern Conference." http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...3-point-shot-8 __________________ "Let's win this game for all the small schools that never had a chance to get here" - Hoosiers, & UVM mens basketball NCAA's 2005

10-17-2012, 04:52 AM	#502 (permalink)
mainejeff All-Star Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,244 Rep Power: 37820	Re: CAA membership So Davidson has said NO........C of C is up next. Dane96 pushing hard for Albany, Stony Brook and UNH all-sports membership over at the CAAZone............... Not sure why anyone would want to join that conference right now.......especially after having secured football membership. What is left over there that screams future greatness and stability????

10-17-2012, 06:51 AM	#503 (permalink)
SaltySeawolf Veteran Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,046 Rep Power: 11770	Re: CAA membership Stony Brook is not going to waste its time trying to join the CAA - next stop for the Seawolves - FBS conference.

10-17-2012, 06:56 AM	#504 (permalink)
ccd494 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,250 Rep Power: 216493	Re: CAA membership And an 8 team AE with 3 schools rumored to be leaving is stable?

10-17-2012, 08:01 AM	#508 (permalink)
ccd494 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,250 Rep Power: 216493	Re: CAA membership Either way... UA/SBU are the linchpins. They can basically decide what they want here. Whichever conference they pick, they are basically dooming the other. The AE without those two basically becomes 5 schools looking for a life raft. The CAA without those two is bracing for JMU's (and maybe GMU's) defection, or adding schools that are unappealing for whatever reason.

10-17-2012, 08:29 AM	#510 (permalink)
UVM Hoop Cat -PREMIUM MEMBER- Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 17,453 Rep Power: 62496	Re: CAA membership The CAA and AE are both weaker as a result of defections- but that's what one would expect when conferences lose key members. It shouldn't be a surprise Davidson wouldn't want to join the CAA that same reason it's not a surprise Quinnipiac probably doesn't want to join the AE. __________________ "Let's win this game for all the small schools that never had a chance to get here" - Hoosiers, & UVM mens basketball NCAA's 2005

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