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BingGrad · 06-16-2012, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NU Hoop Fan

To the UVM fans...Where the hell do you think you're going? (to quote my dad, circa 1984)

What conference are you going to? Let's start lining up the names...

MAYBE the PL, and that's it.

I don't even think the PL is an option. From what I understand, they are not at all keen on public schools (outside the service academies). If they wanted a public school, they would presumably knock first on W&M's door.

mainejeff · 06-16-2012, 06:35 AM

Why is this ALWAYS an issue with every league. Why even have anything written in your by-laws about members leaving if you never abide by them???? Are schools that leave not aware of those by-laws? Maybe BU isn't as smart as they claim.....???

mainejeff · 06-16-2012, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BUmbles

Agreed- have never seen a conference be so strict to the point of voiding competition for the exiting team for the entire season. That would just be insane....

Whatever the rules say.........aren't they written for every school to read and abide by? Wouldn't a school check them out before they make a decision to leave???

mainejeff · 06-16-2012, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BingGrad

I don't even think the PL is an option. From what I understand, they are not at all keen on public schools (outside the service academies). If they wanted a public school, they would presumably knock first on W&M's door.

And UNH would be #2.

TerrierNation · 06-16-2012, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by danefan

Anyone have the league by laws?

Precedent-schmecedent if BU agreed to it in the by laws.

If that is true, it is true of all sports and would mean the AE would have the most punitive policy of conference realignment. Why on earth would BU and other schools agree to that? It's a weaker league and there's always the chance that a school could leave. BU has been pondering leaving for at least 10 years. I'll be very surprised if this is the case.

BingGrad · 06-16-2012, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dnapolit

According to Ted Ryan of the Burlington Free Press and Bob Corran UVM Athletic Director "Corran said BU will be required to pay a $250,000 exit fee and will be ineligible for America East for the 2012-13 sports seasons. In addition Corran goes on to state "With regard to the possibility of Stonybrook also leaving America East, Corran said that to his understanding the university is exploring joining the Colonial Athletic Association as an affliate member for football."

This was in the Burlington Free Press article this morning. If the Terriers are truly ineligible to participate in America East athletics next season what does the basketball team do. Do they put together a random schedule and play anybody and everybody with no hope of making the tourney? I wonder how this affects incoming recruits?

If they are ineligible for AE championships and autobids then I can't imagine why they wouldn't jump immediately a la VCU. Scheduling for sports other than football just isn't that hard.

danefan · 06-16-2012, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TerrierNation

If that is true, it is true of all sports and would mean the AE would have the most punitive policy of conference realignment. Why on earth would BU and other schools agree to that? It's a weaker league and there's always the chance that a school could leave. BU has been pondering leaving for at least 10 years. I'll be very surprised if this is the case.

The CAA allows the remaining members to decide whether the withdrawing team iis eligible for team championships. Individual athletes remain eligible.

Aceinthehole · 06-16-2012, 06:58 AM

Not sure if the CAA offer did come, but even if it did, sounds like BU preferred stability (and of course the acdemic profile of the PL).

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Lynch said it was "a very, very hard decision" for Boston University to leave America East, which had its basis in the former Seaboard Conference and North Atlantic Conference.

"I think the 'why now' answer lies in the instability that you see throughout college athletics right now,'' Lynch said. "Over the last few years we've been watching the situation real closely and certainly keeping our eyes open, knowing others around us were probably doing the same. We wanted to create a more stable situation for our program and student-athletes. We saw stability in the Patriot League.''

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbc...0316/-1/SPORTS

umainealum · 06-16-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BingGrad

If they are ineligible for AE championships and autobids then I can't imagine why they wouldn't jump immediately a la VCU. Scheduling for sports other than football just isn't that hard.

Have you ever done a schedule for a men's or women's basketball team? It is not nearly as easy as you would like to think...especially at this time of year. Sure, there are some schools still looking for a couple of games, but a lot of schedules for this upcoming season are pretty much complete with opponents and dates with some shuffling of dates still to be done. That said, most of the teams looking for games are most likely looking for games in November/December...the really hard part will be scheduling games in January/February when all but a handful of teams are in their conference schedules. It's not like we are talking about trying to line up 10-15 games, you are looking at trying to get at least 25 games to make it worth your while. Not to mention you don't want to schedule a boatload of road trips all over the country...need to get a few home games.

That said, I cannot imagine the conference not allowing them to play in regular season games, but just not allowing them to participate in the conference tourney. That seems very reasonable to me...

BingGrad · 06-16-2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by umainealum

Have you ever done a schedule for a men's or women's basketball team? It is not nearly as easy as you would like to think...especially at this time of year. Sure, there are some schools still looking for a couple of games, but a lot of schedules for this upcoming season are pretty much complete with opponents and dates with some shuffling of dates still to be done. That said, most of the teams looking for games are most likely looking for games in November/December...the really hard part will be scheduling games in January/February when all but a handful of teams are in their conference schedules. It's not like we are talking about trying to line up 10-15 games, you are looking at trying to get at least 25 games to make it worth your while. Not to mention you don't want to schedule a boatload of road trips all over the country...need to get a few home games.

That said, I cannot imagine the conference not allowing them to play in regular season games, but just not allowing them to participate in the conference tourney. That seems very reasonable to me...

Non-conference schedules are difficult. Conference schedules are easy. If Boston left the AE immediately, there would be no impact the OOC. They would suddenly have 16 open dates during Jan/Feb that would be filled by 16 PL games. Even if they had a Patriot team or two scheduled already OOC, they could fill that gap over the next 2 months. Any difficulty or schedule gap is more than offset by knowing your teams are NCAA eligible

oldvmter · 06-16-2012, 07:15 AM

well, bu has found stability. but i am curious about what the patriot league has asked for in return. especially, will bu be able to utilize full athletic scholarships to field the teams competing in the conference. (obviously, hockey will continue as usual and always be in a "hockey conference")
i'm wondering not if bu will be happy to be in the patriot, but if the patriot will be happy with bu down the road. perhaps the patriot has changed its focus with bb in particular, considering its recent success in competing in that sport.
since basketball is the topic for this forum, that's the focus.

UNHFan · 06-16-2012, 07:17 AM

Hey if BU thinks this move is best for them good luck to them I hope they do well! Now I'm very interested to see if all of this talk of BU always controlling the Aeast was true because now they are gone.

NU Hoop Fan · 06-16-2012, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by danefan

The CAA allows the remaining members to decide whether the withdrawing team iis eligible for team championships. Individual athletes remain eligible.

Incorrect (on the eligibility for championships thing).

The CAA By-laws specifically state that the departing teams are ineligible.

The "voting" people are talking about is a vote to amend the by-laws to change the rule.

Dave Fairbank of the Hampton Daily Press explains it all here...

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/fai...0,4878528.post

NU Hoop Fan · 06-16-2012, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by umainealum

Have you ever done a schedule for a men's or women's basketball team? It is not nearly as easy as you would like to think...especially at this time of year. Sure, there are some schools still looking for a couple of games, but a lot of schedules for this upcoming season are pretty much complete with opponents and dates with some shuffling of dates still to be done. That said, most of the teams looking for games are most likely looking for games in November/December...the really hard part will be scheduling games in January/February when all but a handful of teams are in their conference schedules. It's not like we are talking about trying to line up 10-15 games, you are looking at trying to get at least 25 games to make it worth your while. Not to mention you don't want to schedule a boatload of road trips all over the country...need to get a few home games.

That said, I cannot imagine the conference not allowing them to play in regular season games, but just not allowing them to participate in the conference tourney. That seems very reasonable to me...

Logic would dictate the following -

If BU leaves for the PL right away, and VCU and Butler have left their leagues, one would indicate there's a chain reaction of schools who now need games...

It's not easy but could be done.

umainealum · 06-16-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BingGrad

Non-conference schedules are difficult. Conference schedules are easy. If Boston left the AE immediately, there would be no impact the OOC. They would suddenly have 16 open dates during Jan/Feb that would be filled by 16 PL games. Even if they had a Patriot team or two scheduled already OOC, they could fill that gap over the next 2 months. Any difficulty or schedule gap is more than offset by knowing your teams are NCAA eligible

You are assuming the PL would take them effective this fall...we are talking about this upcoming season are we not? Maybe I missed something, but I thought the bylaws said something about them being ineligible for this year for all games. If the PL would take them this year, then yeah, that would work well for them for sure but if not, then they would have to fill in all those games.

06-16-2012, 06:35 AM	#62 (permalink)
mainejeff All-Star Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,206 Rep Power: 37820	Re: Boston University to Patriot League Official Why is this ALWAYS an issue with every league. Why even have anything written in your by-laws about members leaving if you never abide by them???? Are schools that leave not aware of those by-laws? Maybe BU isn't as smart as they claim.....???

06-16-2012, 07:15 AM	#71 (permalink)
oldvmter Rookie Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 72 Rep Power: 1402	Re: Boston University to Patriot League Official well, bu has found stability. but i am curious about what the patriot league has asked for in return. especially, will bu be able to utilize full athletic scholarships to field the teams competing in the conference. (obviously, hockey will continue as usual and always be in a "hockey conference") i'm wondering not if bu will be happy to be in the patriot, but if the patriot will be happy with bu down the road. perhaps the patriot has changed its focus with bb in particular, considering its recent success in competing in that sport. since basketball is the topic for this forum, that's the focus.

06-16-2012, 07:17 AM	#72 (permalink)
UNHFan Veteran Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,212 Rep Power: 20480	Re: Boston University to Patriot League Official Hey if BU thinks this move is best for them good luck to them I hope they do well! Now I'm very interested to see if all of this talk of BU always controlling the Aeast was true because now they are gone.

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