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NU Hoop Fan · 06-25-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ccd494

Elon is a very easy travel get. Like 10 minutes from the Greensboro airport, which has direct flights from Boston. It's buying its way to academic respectability (kind of the Quinnipiac of the south; it is the kind of school that will put up billboards celebrating being ranked the 4th best night school for an MBA in the mid-south, but only have the billboard say "ELON: RANKED #4 IN BEST MBA PROGRAM!" and no I did not make that up).

Elon and High Point are totally trying to make inroads to better academics. They're trying to do the "Hartford Model" of the late 1980s where they're trying to identify good students and offer them free rides to improve their statistics. HP and Elon are using "zip code" and real estate research to identify communities with relatievly high incomes who might want to send their kids down south for college.

In my town, Elon and HP offered a bunch of good but not great students (probably kids of academic quality for UMass) and make Elon and HP no more expsnive than UMass would have been for an in state kid.

Quinnipiac is letting everyone in, what I'm seeing from Elon and HP, they're trying to have some element of selectivity- but you're not that far off.

Furman's a good academic school, as is Davidson.

UAalum72 · 06-25-2012, 07:23 AM

A long-time poster on the Ivy League board says UNH to the Patriot in 2013, followed soon by Wm. & Mary and one other (but not yet Villanova). He says his source is 'unimpeachable', which means he's probably got a 10-20% chance of being right.

Aceinthehole · 06-25-2012, 07:32 AM

The PL really wants to expand to get to 10, unlike the AE who played with 9 for years.

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The Patriot League's latest pronouncement was adding another full-time member (Boston University) in 18 sports, most notably men's and women's basketball, beginning with the 2013-14 season.

Previously, the league added women's golf as its 24th championship sport, approved athletic scholarships for football, reinstated associate member Fordham into the conference for football, adjusted roster sizes for football and implemented a basketball replay system.

It has been a whirlwind of activity with all of these announcements coming since February.

Femovich said more could be coming, but the league doesn't have a proverbial plane to catch.

"Don't expect another announcement next week," Femovich said Monday before catching another flight out of the Lehigh Valley. "We're going to take our time with this."

What this is is further league expansion.

Boston University makes nine teams in men's and women's basketball. That makes for scheduling hurdles until a 10th team is found.

Though no specifics have been worked out, a nine-team league means a bye for one team on each league playing date during the regular season.

Femovich said the goal is to find another school for one of the league's marquee sports, but it will take time. It already has been a lengthy process in bringing in the Terriers, who are leaving the America East Conference.

"We had in-depth conversations four or five years ago," she said. "But they were two-fold. We had to make a decision on the football merit-aid issue. We were not ready [for expansion]. The timing wasn't right."

The league spent the last 21/2 years focused on working out the details of athletic scholarships for football before revisiting expansion.

http://articles.mcall.com/2012-06-23...ton-university

UNHFan · 06-25-2012, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by UAalum72

A long-time poster on the Ivy League board says UNH to the Patriot in 2013, followed soon by Wm. & Mary and one other (but not yet Villanova). He says his source is 'unimpeachable', which means he's probably got a 10-20% chance of being right.

I would give it more like a 4-5% of being right. Like I said earlier lets add teams to this conference no matter what happens to Stony Brook eventhough I want them to stay. How about thinking really crazy and SBU stays and we add four schools... the Q, Bryant, CCSU and NJIT.

ccd494 · 06-25-2012, 09:35 AM

I still don't understand how UNH to the Patriot would work. I get that Navy and Army are technically Publics, and that UNH is a solid academic institution... but it isn't Army or Navy. I don't know the ins and outs of the AI, but wouldn't calculations be weird when dealing with a state's major public university?

NU Hoop Fan · 06-25-2012, 10:50 AM

There are about $1.0 million reasons why William & Mary to the Patriot League would be very difficult.

Now, if there's a school at the mid major level who has an alumni base who could raise that kind of money quickly, my money is on Bill and Mary.

TerrierNation · 06-25-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NU Hoop Fan

There are about $1.0 million reasons why William & Mary to the Patriot League would be very difficult.

Now, if there's a school at the mid major level who has an alumni base who could raise that kind of money quickly, my money is on Bill and Mary.

One of the posters in the other forum mentioned Fairfield. They would definitely represent an ideal Patriot League add for BU based on their strong program and location. I hadn't considered them before for some reason. Not sure if they would leave the MAAC for the PL.

That $1 million exit fee only applies to the full members, right? CAA football members like Richmond could walk for cheaper if they wanted too?

NU Hoop Fan · 06-25-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TerrierNation

One of the posters in the other forum mentioned Fairfield. They would definitely represent an ideal Patriot League add for BU based on their strong program and location. I hadn't considered them before for some reason. Not sure if they would leave the MAAC for the PL.

That $1 million exit fee only applies to the full members, right? CAA football members like Richmond could walk for cheaper if they wanted too?

Richmond is only a member for CAA football, yes. Not sure what the exit fee is for football only members. It's $1.0 million for full members, as I understand it.

Fairfield would be ideal. One problem, they're practically broke, and I think they like being in the MAAC. Davidson would be good for the PL as well.

iamsirjoshua · 06-25-2012, 04:28 PM

While Davidson is not out of the question, I think they're a bit too far south and end up as a major geographic outlier. They'd rather go to the CAA with Elon and Furman, from what I've been reading. Football is also an issue for them since I doubt they'd want to upgrade to full scholarships, and it would be harder to do "everything but football" in the PL than the CAA where football is basically a separate conference.

farfromtheshow · 06-25-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mainejeff

Scarano is a bit hysterical about all of this IMO.

This is becoming cut and dry as it concerns AE. Either Stony Brook leaves and AE invites Q and Bryant..........or SB stays and AE invites Q only. I actually think that AE becomes pretty stable after the SB decision. If you want to talk instability, try being the CAA right now.........they are what I'd call an unstable league. No matter who they add, they will continue to be in state of flux IMO. AE could be the beneficiary eventually.........that is why it's probably a good idea for AE to stay at only 9 members and continue to maintain just minimal numbers for auto bids.

And by the way........UNH/Marty can trust Maine.......not sure that the opposite is true though.

Ok, I'm going to spell this out for everyone so people know why everyone in the AE is frantic: Q and CCSU, who people on here seem to think are in the bag as a fall-back in the worst case scenario... ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE AE. That is from sources very, very close to the situation. That is the problem. With no legit D1 schools biting to join the AE, the league is in a very precarious situation.

TerrierNation · 06-25-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by farfromtheshow

Ok, I'm going to spell this out for everyone so people know why everyone in the AE is frantic: Q and CCSU, who people on here seem to think are in the bag as a fall-back in the worst case scenario... ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE AE. That is from sources very, very close to the situation. That is the problem. With no legit D1 schools biting to join the AE, the league is in a very precarious situation.

Wow. That is pretty surprising. I would think Bryant would be a good fit, but I guess they think the league is too unstable as well.

bosiydid · 06-25-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by farfromtheshow

Ok, I'm going to spell this out for everyone so people know why everyone in the AE is frantic: Q and CCSU, who people on here seem to think are in the bag as a fall-back in the worst case scenario... ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE AE. That is from sources very, very close to the situation. That is the problem. With no legit D1 schools biting to join the AE, the league is in a very precarious situation.

I hear Q thinks they are A-10 bound, hot shit...not really surprised there. I'm not sure how much CCSU isn't interested as I'm told CCSU's academics may not be a fit and the AE is showing tepid interest. Bryant and NJIT have bags in hand...

TerrierNation · 06-25-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bosiydid

I hear Q thinks they are A-10 bound, hot shit...not really surprised there. I'm not sure how much CCSU isn't interested as I'm told CCSU's academics may not be a fit and the AE is showing tepid interest. Bryant and NJIT have bags in hand...

Why would Q not go on account of the A10? Even the most delusional Q fan would admit they aren't going for at least 5 years so why not come to the AE first, continue to build and then hope for an invite? Don't want to pay two exit fees or like being a bigger fish in a smaller pond? I don't know...that doesn't make much sense to me. The stability is definitely a valid reason.

ccd494 · 06-25-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TerrierNation

Why would Q not go on account of the A10? Even the most delusional Q fan would admit they aren't going for at least 5 years so why not come to the AE first, continue to build and then hope for an invite? Don't want to pay two exit fees or like being a bigger fish in a smaller pond? I don't know...that doesn't make much sense to me. The stability is definitely a valid reason.

I don't think I'd leave the nec for AE right now. The nec will absolutely exist in four years. Will the AE? What's the benefit of that move?

Aceinthehole · 06-25-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by farfromtheshow

Ok, I'm going to spell this out for everyone so people know why everyone in the AE is frantic: Q and CCSU, who people on here seem to think are in the bag as a fall-back in the worst case scenario... ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE AE. That is from sources very, very close to the situation. That is the problem. With no legit D1 schools biting to join the AE, the league is in a very precarious situation.

I can't confirm this, but it is not all that suprising.

A move for QU would get them out of the NEC, but they would have no "peers" in the AE without BU. Yes, AE schools have better academics than NEC schools, but they are are all public research universities. QU is a smaller private school trying to compete for students with Fairfield, Loyola (MD), 'Nova, etc. I can see why they would want to stay in the NEC (and actually win something) before trying to move on to something better. I also wouldn't be suprised if they think the MAAC is an inetersting option.

As for CCSU, I personally would welcome the move to the AE, but we have to do something about FOOTBALL first. As long as the UNH and Maine are tying their hitches to UD and W&M in CAA Football, CCSU has no real incentive to leave the NEC. We have an AQ for every single sport we offer (18 total) in 1 conference. This is the "stability" that schools like Delaware have always asked for. Of course the NEC isn't the CAA, but our home is stable and provides access to the NCAAs.

Ask Albany fans how happy they are that UNH and Maine play football in the CAA, while they are in the NEC. Hell, if Stony Brook joins the CAA for Football and stays in the AE, Albany football is on the outside while the 3 AE programs all share a home in the CAA. Football is what is keeping the AE in this position.

Bryant just finished their 4-year transition and become NCAA eligible this Fall. They won the NEC baseball regular season twice already, but couldn't play in the tourney. They are Nationally ranked in MLax and the NEC gets the AQ this spring. And like CCSU, they have football to worry about.

The only school that is hands down waiting for an invite is NJIT.

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