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TerrierNation · 06-26-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TerrierNation

We know they're adding southern schools. Southern schols left. Why would anyone think the league would look North (other than SBU in a mega-expansion)? That's what I don't get. People think that the whole "CAA is looking South" is terrible - we lost 3 southern schools, we're replacing them with southern schools. It was expected.

Would we join the PL? We apparently have asked more than once and were told "academics aren't good enough, school's too big, day of week ends in "Y"." In 2005, we approached the A-10, the PL and the CAA.

If offered, of course we'd take it, but the million bucks is certainly an inhibitor, and we voted for it. We're to "nouveaux academic" for the PL - folks at Holy Cross have told me that. It was easy for the PL to say "not good enough academically" when we were a USNWR Top 100 school. Now we're at 66 or wherever, and they can't say "not good enough" they have to say "not good enough, long enough."

Gotcha. Although, "southern" is still relative. Don't you think Virginia is a little more tolerable than North Carolina, Georgia and wherever else they are looking, especially since some of these places are a long way from airports. I don't know I guess it comes down to the ease of travel and maybe it won't be any worse.

UNHFan · 06-26-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NU Hoop Fan

There is NO WAY in HELL that the CAA is taking UNH and Maine and Albany.

As I've said before, if NU/HU/DU want to be in a conference with UNH and Maine, we can join the AE in about two nanoseconds. There are outstanding "offers" that are on the table and have been on the table since 2005.

Well what a positive son of a ***** you are! Is there no CAA form for you to go post on? I don't understand why MaineJeff throws out an idea just an idea and you jump all over it. I dont get this Northeastern being this all mighty power school! I'm at a lost for words if you feel the CAA is the almighty league god bless you but why continue to post here with your positive thoughts. I truly dont think any of us know what is going to happen and we're all playing the waiting game.

NU Hoop Fan · 06-26-2012, 07:43 PM

Elon is Greensboro - non stop from Boston.

App State is a pain, give you that.

Davidson - Charlotte - non stop from Boston.

Charleston - non stop from Boston.

We lost - GSU (Atlanta), VCU (Richmond), ODU (Norfolk).

All non stops from Boston.

App State isn't an easy trip. But, Stony Brook is equally as long a trip from Boston, all things considered.

And, remember, we don't go to every school every year...

We knew what we were getting into, and if we didn't like it, we could have left with a $250K exit fee.

NU Hoop Fan · 06-26-2012, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by UNHFan

Well what a positive son of a ***** you are! Is there no CAA form for you to go post on? I don't understand why MaineJeff throws out an idea just an idea and you jump all over it. I dont get this Northeastern being this all mighty power school! I'm at a lost for words if you feel the CAA is the almighty league god bless you but why continue to post here with your positive thoughts. I truly dont think any of us know what is going to happen and we're all playing the waiting game.

They're not taking those schools because the only human beings who I've heard those names from are on this board. I don't think that the CAA is almighty, but we lost 3 southern schools, from a historically southern conference. The "mega expansion" that has been talked about only included one northern school, maybe two.

UNH and Maine had a chance to merge with the CAA 10 years ago and the decision was made not to. The schools would need a 75% vote from the existing CAA membership (that's 7 of 9).

There's no way Wilmington, W&M and JMU are going for it. Boom, that's 3 schools, simple math. That's how I know they're not coming. It's no offense to the friends I've made at UNH over the years.

UNH was offered admission to the CAA in 2005 with NU, and chose not to join us. That was their chance.

LittleMike · 06-26-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NU Hoop Fan

Charleston - non stop from Boston.

Sorry doesn't exist. No such thing.....I travel to Charleston all the time on business. No direct flight from Boston - must stop in Philly, Atlanta, DC or Charlotte.

NU Hoop Fan · 06-27-2012, 03:34 AM

Delta is going to start flying non-stop to Charleston starting October 1.

And, if there isn't N/S service, I'm betting they'd pair a trip down there to play someone else, usually they do that with Wilmington.

NU had to play GSU every year (b/c of the non stop flights to Atlanta it made sense), and we went to VA/NC 3 other trips. That wouldn't change in a 12 team CAA (4 trips south), and in a 14 team CAA (with SBU), we'd go south less.

mainejeff · 06-27-2012, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NU Hoop Fan

Delta is going to start flying non-stop to Charleston starting October 1.

And, if there isn't N/S service, I'm betting they'd pair a trip down there to play someone else, usually they do that with Wilmington.

NU had to play GSU every year (b/c of the non stop flights to Atlanta it made sense), and we went to VA/NC 3 other trips. That wouldn't change in a 12 team CAA (4 trips south), and in a 14 team CAA (with SBU), we'd go south less.

Again.........why would CAA members want a 14 team, 1 bid mid-major league???

NU Hoop Fan · 06-27-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mainejeff

Again.........why would CAA members want a 14 team, 1 bid mid-major league???

Why did they want a 12 team, 1 bid mid-major league in 2005?

The answer is - they had a vision to grow the sport. You turn it in to a 2-3 bid league, which they did.

The 14 teams is admittedly a stopgap, a forward looking move by Tom Yeager in case ASU, UD and JMU move up because of the NCAA moratorium. You overexpand for a year or two and/when these schools move up, you have a base of 11. As opposed to a base of 9.

I know forward thinking is a novel concept for the AE, but that's what the CAA is doing.

ccd494 · 06-27-2012, 12:16 PM

I'm also not sold that 2 bids is out of the question for that CAA. It's probably a 10-13th in the RPI league.

UNHFan · 06-28-2012, 07:03 AM

Some thoughts on Aeast expansion from MaineJeff's second favorite guy behind NU Hoop Fan, Mr. Steve Abbott!

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/06/2...ble-expansion/

Rally Cat · 06-28-2012, 11:43 AM

NU Hoop Fan - I have a few comments for you. As I recall NU left the AE conference after the 2004-2005 season for football and better basketball opportunities. I believe my following facts are accurate - you dropped football in 2009 to focus on other existing athletic programs. Since 2002-2003 your men's basketball team has a 169-142 record with two NIT appearances. I compare this to Vermont's record of 219-105 over the same period with five NCCA, two NIT and one CBI appearances. I agree with the Maine folks - you come of as if NU is some kind of basketball powerhouse because you play in the CAA. I wish both NU and BU were in the America East Conference but you both made other choices - so get on with your lot in life. I must say this - one of my best memories of Vermont basketball was the 2004-2005 championship game in Burlington -final UVM 80 - NU 57.

uvm4life20 · 06-28-2012, 03:33 PM

We still haven't heard on who is right with Dane and FFTS about ccsu and Q being interested in the AE. I'm going to believe Dane on this one. I dont remember Dane being wrong about facts before. I know FFTS has been wrong a few times. I think we should believe q and ccsu are interested right now.

goBing · 06-28-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by uvm4life20

We still haven't heard on who is right with Dane and FFTS about ccsu and Q being interested in the AE. I'm going to believe Dane on this one. I dont remember Dane being wrong about facts before. I know FFTS has been wrong a few times. I think we should believe q and ccsu are interested right now.

I'm not saying your are wrong but why would they be intrested in the AE? what do we have to offer? I'm just couious cause I really don't know.

mainejeff · 06-29-2012, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by uvm4life20

We still haven't heard on who is right with Dane and FFTS about ccsu and Q being interested in the AE. I'm going to believe Dane on this one. I dont remember Dane being wrong about facts before. I know FFTS has been wrong a few times. I think we should believe q and ccsu are interested right now.

Don't you mean Q and Bryant?

uvm4life20 · 06-29-2012, 06:15 PM

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Ok, I'm going to spell this out for everyone so people know why everyone in the AE is frantic: Q and CCSU, who people on here seem to think are in the bag as a fall-back in the worst case scenario... ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE AE. That is from sources very, very close to the situation. That is the problem. With no legit D1 schools biting to join the AE, the league is in a very precarious situation.

DANE96 Your source needs checking.

I rarely call you out...but on this one...I am 99.999999999999999999% sure it is wrong.

NO MaineJEff I'm talking about ccsu and quinipiac

06-26-2012, 07:43 PM	#78 (permalink)
NU Hoop Fan All-Star Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 5,083 Rep Power: 32212	Re: Who's going where? More fallout expected! Elon is Greensboro - non stop from Boston. App State is a pain, give you that. Davidson - Charlotte - non stop from Boston. Charleston - non stop from Boston. We lost - GSU (Atlanta), VCU (Richmond), ODU (Norfolk). All non stops from Boston. App State isn't an easy trip. But, Stony Brook is equally as long a trip from Boston, all things considered. And, remember, we don't go to every school every year... We knew what we were getting into, and if we didn't like it, we could have left with a $250K exit fee. __________________ Today is the first day of the next 86 years!

06-27-2012, 03:34 AM	#81 (permalink)
NU Hoop Fan All-Star Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 5,083 Rep Power: 32212	Re: Who's going where? More fallout expected! Delta is going to start flying non-stop to Charleston starting October 1. And, if there isn't N/S service, I'm betting they'd pair a trip down there to play someone else, usually they do that with Wilmington. NU had to play GSU every year (b/c of the non stop flights to Atlanta it made sense), and we went to VA/NC 3 other trips. That wouldn't change in a 12 team CAA (4 trips south), and in a 14 team CAA (with SBU), we'd go south less. __________________ Today is the first day of the next 86 years!

06-27-2012, 12:16 PM	#84 (permalink)
ccd494 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,245 Rep Power: 216493	Re: Who's going where? More fallout expected! I'm also not sold that 2 bids is out of the question for that CAA. It's probably a 10-13th in the RPI league.

06-28-2012, 07:03 AM	#85 (permalink)
UNHFan Veteran Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,212 Rep Power: 20480	Re: Who's going where? More fallout expected! Some thoughts on Aeast expansion from MaineJeff's second favorite guy behind NU Hoop Fan, Mr. Steve Abbott! http://bangordailynews.com/2012/06/2...ble-expansion/

06-28-2012, 11:43 AM	#86 (permalink)
Rally Cat Rookie Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Burlington, Vermont Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Re: Who's going where? More fallout expected! NU Hoop Fan - I have a few comments for you. As I recall NU left the AE conference after the 2004-2005 season for football and better basketball opportunities. I believe my following facts are accurate - you dropped football in 2009 to focus on other existing athletic programs. Since 2002-2003 your men's basketball team has a 169-142 record with two NIT appearances. I compare this to Vermont's record of 219-105 over the same period with five NCCA, two NIT and one CBI appearances. I agree with the Maine folks - you come of as if NU is some kind of basketball powerhouse because you play in the CAA. I wish both NU and BU were in the America East Conference but you both made other choices - so get on with your lot in life. I must say this - one of my best memories of Vermont basketball was the 2004-2005 championship game in Burlington -final UVM 80 - NU 57.

06-28-2012, 03:33 PM	#87 (permalink)
uvm4life20 Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,659 Rep Power: 18340	Re: Who's going where? More fallout expected! We still haven't heard on who is right with Dane and FFTS about ccsu and Q being interested in the AE. I'm going to believe Dane on this one. I dont remember Dane being wrong about facts before. I know FFTS has been wrong a few times. I think we should believe q and ccsu are interested right now.

06-29-2012, 06:15 PM	#90 (permalink)
uvm4life20 Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,659 Rep Power: 18340	Re: Who's going where? More fallout expected! Quote: Originally Posted by farfromtheshow Ok, I'm going to spell this out for everyone so people know why everyone in the AE is frantic: Q and CCSU, who people on here seem to think are in the bag as a fall-back in the worst case scenario... ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE AE. That is from sources very, very close to the situation. That is the problem. With no legit D1 schools biting to join the AE, the league is in a very precarious situation. DANE96 Your source needs checking. I rarely call you out...but on this one...I am 99.999999999999999999% sure it is wrong. NO MaineJEff I'm talking about ccsu and quinipiac

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