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Old 07-05-2012, 03:13 PM   #166 (permalink)
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Re: No AE Championships for BU?

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Of course- no AD will have the discretion to make a move like switching conferences without sign-off from higher-ups.

I feel like we're talking about something that's a given.
This! Clearly it was not Lynch alone; but Lynch as some horrible PR skills. To say he has acted in a way taken aback by the decision is an understatement.

I work for a company that pulls similar shit and causes me to be the messenger of a message I know is just a loser. However, sometimes I push back on them and say, "Look...fine, I disagree with the underlying decision but I work for you and I will take the heat. However, the message will be delivered my way with the intent ending in the same manner."

Lynch...should have delivered the message differently.
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Yeah, but there is a difference between a higher up signing off on a move, and being the decision maker/driving force behind the move...
Oh really...There is? No way.

Seriously man..lol....(?)


Bottom Line here: The collective brain trust (is that better..lol) at BU knows that this is just the costs of doing business for moving to the Patriot League. It's why they aren't going to challenge the league.
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Old 07-05-2012, 03:21 PM   #168 (permalink)
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Re: No AE Championships for BU?

Assuming BU does play in the AE this season as a lame duck (no postseason possibilities without an at-large).....the thought process might be to redshirt the stronger frosh so they don't waste a season.....while also thinking this might stick it to the AE on the RPI front. In a lot of ways I see this as very valid thinking. The other train of thought is that since Lynch has been quoted as feeling bad for the seniors would he then put the seniors in a situation where the teams they are playing on are worse due to redshirting players? That might be even more of a dis-service to the seniors?
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Re: No AE Championships for BU?

If BU REALLY wanted to stick it to UVM, UNH, and Maine, as a result of all this crap, here's what it could probably pull off with some work.

Leave Hockey East, and take NU, BC, PC, Notre Dame and UConn with it. Nice 6 team league, huh? Who would say no to that league among those 6 schools?

You don't think the NCAA would give that league an auto bid?

For good measure, bring along Quinnipiac and give Rhody an invite if/when.

Don't think it could happen?
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while also thinking this might stick it to the AE on the RPI front.
Because the AE RPI was so good when BU was trying so hard last year...

BTW thanks to all the posters quoting BU Fan 84 so I could be entertained by what he posted even after the moderator deleted his post before I got here.
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Re: No AE Championships for BU?

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If BU REALLY wanted to stick it to UVM, UNH, and Maine, as a result of all this crap, here's what it could probably pull off with some work.

Leave Hockey East, and take NU, BC, PC, Notre Dame and UConn with it. Nice 6 team league, huh? Who would say no to that league among those 6 schools?

You don't think the NCAA would give that league an auto bid?

For good measure, bring along Quinnipiac and give Rhody an invite if/when.

Don't think it could happen?
And name it the Bean Pot League? I'm sure Notre Dame would be thrilled.

"Kick out" the second and fourth most successful Hockey East programs to join up with a club program, Q, and maybe another club program? I'm sure BC and Notre Dame would gladly hold hands with the BU admin and kick over Maine/UNH/UVM's sandcastles in a fit of rage.

Yet could it happen? One never knows when you put a bunch of Massholes with law degrees and a grudge in a room together.
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Re: No AE Championships for BU?

Hey hey...settle down. Only BU's lawyers are Massholes...some of us aren't.

(My attempt at humor).
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Assuming BU does play in the AE this season as a lame duck (no postseason possibilities without an at-large).....the thought process might be to redshirt the stronger frosh so they don't waste a season.....while also thinking this might stick it to the AE on the RPI front. In a lot of ways I see this as very valid thinking. The other train of thought is that since Lynch has been quoted as feeling bad for the seniors would he then put the seniors in a situation where the teams they are playing on are worse due to redshirting players? That might be even more of a dis-service to the seniors?
For men's basketball, I'd be really surprised if BU redshirted anyone. First, their roster situation is much like UVM's in that if they red shirted even one player they would be down to 10 scholarship eligible players (they are at 11 now via Terry/Piotrowski transfers and not bringing in replacements)* (*assuming they don't sign any 2012 eligible players at this late stage like a Trey Blue).

Second, and probably more important- if I'm BU coaching staff I want the four freshmen playing together this season and getting used to one another because with all the freshmen and sophomores on this BU team they are somewhat entering a rebuilding phase.


So in other words, they would be sticking it to themselves.
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And name it the Bean Pot League? I'm sure Notre Dame would be thrilled.

"Kick out" the second and fourth most successful Hockey East programs to join up with a club program, Q, and maybe another club program? I'm sure BC and Notre Dame would gladly hold hands with the BU admin and kick over Maine/UNH/UVM's sandcastles in a fit of rage.

Yet could it happen? One never knows when you put a bunch of Massholes with law degrees and a grudge in a room together.
They wouldn't kick out anyone, they'd just leave. Form their own league. The Big 10 schools did it. The Hockey East schools did it to the ECAC way back when.

BC, PC, and NU have already said they didn't care what hockey league they played in as long as they're with BU. ND ain't holding hands with Maine and UNH. UConn would do what it's told, or UMass or Merrimack or Lowell would gladly join.

Not saying it's on anyone's mind, but it could be done with a little bit of effort. And don't think BC and ND have a few lawyers worth their salt.

Oh, and then America East could have a hockey league. Double bonus.
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Re: No AE Championships for BU?

To beat the crap out of this dead horse some more, I'll bring this OBVIOUS point up which I don't believe has been stated:

Given that the this bylaw for vote on conference eligibility was put in place after the last school- Northeastern- left the conference, and this is the FIRST opportunity the conference has had to exercise it- isn't it OBVIOUS to EVERYONE that they would do so for ANY SCHOOL that left the conference? The first school just happened to be BU. I suppose it could have just as easily been SBU...or someone else.

To not have done so would have undermined the bylaw and caused confusion for any future school deciding to leave- now, it's pretty clear to any school what the costs will be to leave the AE.
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In the grand scheme of things is this one year NCAA ban is really nothing considering BU is moving to THE Patriot League.

In the end I think all of the MA D1 schools should just form their own league, call it something along the lines of The Anointed League - that way they can fight it out for supremacy in the only state in New England that matters.
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Re: No AE Championships for BU?

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To beat the crap out of this dead horse some more, I'll bring this OBVIOUS point up which I don't believe has been stated:

Given that the this bylaw for vote on conference eligibility was put in place after the last school- Northeastern- left the conference, and this is the FIRST opportunity the conference has had to exercise it- isn't it OBVIOUS to EVERYONE that they would do so for ANY SCHOOL that left the conference? The first school just happened to be BU. I suppose it could have just as easily been SBU...or someone else.

To not have done so would have undermined the bylaw and caused confusion for any future school deciding to leave- now, it's pretty clear to any school what the costs will be to leave the AE.
But I'm betting at the next league meeting, the AE and school ADs reinforce that they may not necessarily take this action for the next departing member. Read between the lines SBU: please give us at least a year's notice and you can still participate in any tournament.

Of course Fiore knows this. SBU will be in a fantastic position because the AE would hold zero of this power over them having only 8 teams. Plus, if SBU is smart when they are ready to leave they will say to the AE: we can leave now or in a year. Take our eligibility and we leave immediately. Good luck getting someone from the NEC.
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Assuming BU does play in the AE this season as a lame duck (no postseason possibilities without an at-large).....the thought process might be to redshirt the stronger frosh so they don't waste a season.....while also thinking this might stick it to the AE on the RPI front. In a lot of ways I see this as very valid thinking. The other train of thought is that since Lynch has been quoted as feeling bad for the seniors would he then put the seniors in a situation where the teams they are playing on are worse due to redshirting players? That might be even more of a dis-service to the seniors?
I hope they don't entertain this idea. Just play the season out; see how far they can go. It will make them better for the next year anyway.
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Good luck getting someone from the NEC.
There's always NJIT
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There's always NJIT
I am pulling for Newbury Community College in order to maintain our presence in the Boston area. This way we can also justify the AE offices strong ....strong presence there.
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