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Old 11-18-2012, 11:15 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Pikell is so set in his ways it kills us. Subs every 30 seconds, pass pass pass jack up a shot style offense. The reason we are weak in the 2nd half is because teams figure out our plays and game plan. They shut down the post and when that is closed we're forced to shoot from the outside instead of driving and trying to create. I hate when Brenton plays like this. The team needs you to do more then pass and rebound. It's doubtful Pikell changes anything, looks like were back to our same old disappointing self.
Just a ridiculous post. It's the same methodology that wins us games. Our depth is one of our biggest assets. But when you shoot 29% and your opponent shoots 46%, you're going to lose more often than you win. It's just that simple. This guy has built this program and every year we are seeing a better caliber player come in at every position. Stop being ridiculous.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:54 AM   #77 (permalink)
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Just a ridiculous post. It's the same methodology that wins us games. Our depth is one of our biggest assets. But when you shoot 29% and your opponent shoots 46%, you're going to lose more often than you win. It's just that simple. This guy has built this program and every year we are seeing a better caliber player come in at every position. Stop being ridiculous.
Because that is the methodology that has won us games does not make it the best methodology. Maybe a shorter rotation would allow players to get into the flow of the game and SB would win even more games. Maybe, if players were allowed to stay on the floor, they would work through some of their shooting woes and the fg% would be higher. At this point just winning games in not good enough. The goal now is to win the big games. I think many Seawolf fans see a loss like this and think to themselves that this is the exact formula for why we lose the big game year after year. This one was certainly reminiscent of the BU championship game two years ago.
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And I simply disagree with that assessment.
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Because that is the methodology that has won us games does not make it the best methodology. Maybe a shorter rotation would allow players to get into the flow of the game and SB would win even more games. Maybe, if players were allowed to stay on the floor, they would work through some of their shooting woes and the fg% would be higher. At this point just winning games in not good enough. The goal now is to win the big games. I think many Seawolf fans see a loss like this and think to themselves that this is the exact formula for why we lose the big game year after year. This one was certainly reminiscent of the BU championship game two years ago.
Perfectly put Salty!
How do players build confidence or set a rhythm, if they are always in fear of being yanked out of the game for missing a shot/rebound/or other such play. They seem to constantly be in fear of making a mistake. "If i shoot and miss I know I'm going back to the bench." So instead of shooting ill pass it off and hope someone else can make a play, and if they mess up hey at least its not me...Instead of hey I know my coach has confidence in me and we let me play through a mistake or 2. I'm also getting annoyed with Brenton's lack of offense. Rebounding and assists are nice, but come on it's been 5 years now...your the captain...take charge of the game...go to the rim...stop relying on the rest of the team to make shots. I know this is a lot of harsh criticism after only 1 loss, but changes need to be made now rather then 3-4 weeks down the line
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Lol. Now after a loss everyone has the answers to all that ails the team. Smh. If you actually watch the games closely, players typically don't get subbed out by Pikiell after making a mistake. He has repeatedly talked about how he has never liked that philosophy having been a player under a coach that didn't suffer mistakes. Rather, his subs have been based on defense, and the defensive pressure that they bring consumes a great deal of energy so he tries to keep them fresh. There's a reason we're typically one of, if not the top defensive team in the league. So again the basis of your theory is at fault. He's also the guy that looks to feed the hot player. Versus SHU, that was Rouse. Last year, 11 different players led them in scoring throughout the season. And maybe if the same players stayed on the floor the shooting percentage would get worse. What then?
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:44 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Re: 2012-2013 Seawolf Pride

I have an idea. STOP playing McAlister. He plays 30 minutes we will lose everytime. How about we play Rouse who is a senior and has put his time in for 4 years and stepped up huge off the bench last year or if you want start lenny. I like AJ, Dave, Marcus, Tommy and Jameel or AJ, Dave, Lenny, Tommy and Jameel much better than ui like AJ, Dave, Eric, Tommy and Jameel. Yeah that line up maybe small but at least we will be a little more effective on offense not to mention the AE doesnt have all american big men.
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I have an idea. STOP playing McAlister. He plays 30 minutes we will lose everytime. How about we play Rouse who is a senior and has put his time in for 4 years and stepped up huge off the bench last year or if you want start lenny. I like AJ, Dave, Marcus, Tommy and Jameel or AJ, Dave, Lenny, Tommy and Jameel much better than ui like AJ, Dave, Eric, Tommy and Jameel. Yeah that line up maybe small but at least we will be a little more effective on offense not to mention the AE doesnt have all american big men.
Ok, this is just plain stupid.

McAlister was the best all around player on the floor on Saturday: 11 pts (on 5-8 shooting), 5 rebounds (3 offensive), 2 blocks (should have been 3 but for an awful goaltending call), 2 assist and 1 turnover in 29 minutes. That's a stat line any coach would want from a 4 man who gets no plays run for him.

I love Rouse, but he is best suited to coming off the bench. He's got the mental makeup for it, and can be steady but not spectacular. He's not a point guard, and you don't start him over Coley for a number of reasons, and you're not going to employ a 3 guard look at the expense of any of the froncourt starters.

Lenny Hayes had a nice stretch 2 seasons ago, but has been MIA ever since. He's a one trick pony whose trick is not reliable. He's a bad below average ballhandler, okay defender, and is too often invisible. Plus when you criticize the offense for jacking too many unsuccessful 3s, that is precisely what he does. Just because you're a senior doesn't entitle you to be a starter.
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I have an idea. STOP playing McAlister. He plays 30 minutes we will lose everytime. How about we play Rouse who is a senior and has put his time in for 4 years and stepped up huge off the bench last year or if you want start lenny. I like AJ, Dave, Marcus, Tommy and Jameel or AJ, Dave, Lenny, Tommy and Jameel much better than ui like AJ, Dave, Eric, Tommy and Jameel. Yeah that line up maybe small but at least we will be a little more effective on offense not to mention the AE doesnt have all american big men.
I'm in no way implying that Eric is in line to make any all-conference teams, or should be an automatic 30 mins per game guy...but not sure why you're killing him. He played extremely well against SHU (5-8, 11 points, 5 rebs, 2 blocks), while the other starters shot a combined 6-31/19%. Win as a team, lose as a team, but he certainly wasn't the problem in that loss.
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Re: 2012-2013 Seawolf Pride

McAlister stinks. There is no way to describe it. One game doesnt change anything. I had the oppurtunity to see the marist game and he was bad. two major mistakes one almost cost them the game. If McAlister plays 30 minutes we lose. plain and simple. We saw that sunday. He is a cat when we need a bull dog.

Rouse has the mental make up for the bench? so in other words mcalister cant doesnt have the mental makeup to come off the bench? If you arent mentally stong enough to come off the bench you are not a real player. We need steady. McAlister is neither steady not specacular. Mcalister is averaging 4 more rebounds than rouse in 9 more minutes per game. to ask rouse to pick up 2 or 3 rebounds a game would not be to much to ask if his minutes went up. especially if we have the best rebounder in the conference on our team.

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McAlister stinks. There is no way to describe it. One game doesnt change anything. I had the oppurtunity to see the marist game and he was bad. two major mistakes one almost cost them the game. If McAlister plays 30 minutes we lose. plain and simple. We saw that sunday. He is a cat when we need a bull dog.
Ok...not sure what we're dealing with here but you're entitled to your opinion. These forums naturally lead to some level of criticism of teams, coaches, programs, etc. However, I believe that ridiculing individual players (20 year old kids) on a public forum is over the line. I know the vast majority of SBU supporters are above it.
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Ok...not sure what we're dealing with here but you're entitled to your opinion. These forums naturally lead to some level of criticism of teams, coaches, programs, etc. However, I believe that ridiculing individual players (20 year old kids) on a public forum is over the line. I know the vast majority of SBU supporters are above it.


You are right. everyone stop critisizing players and coaches. everything is just super duper. Every player should start and play equal time so we dont hurt any 20 year olds feeling. Maybe i should start getting on pikiel's case because he is the guy playing the 20 year olds who shouldnt be starting at the division 1 level. When you sign the dotted line to play Divison 1 college athletics you put yourself out to critisism.

you are dealing with a season ticket holder and donar who is sick of watching people and recieving mail saying the program is on the up and up when it looks like we actually are trying to lose games with our personel and substitution patterns. i am a huge supporter of this program and players but cant watch another 10 minute left melt down with our entire second team on the floor or subbing offense to defense in the last minute with a guy who just made a huge stop by blocking a shot and a guy who allowed his man to beat him and score the game tieing points.

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Lots of season ticketholders out there who don't actually know the game. Everybody thinks they have all the answers after the fact. The content of the posts speak volumes.

And by the way, a little reading comprehension goes a long way. Rouse has a good makeup for coming off the bench. That has nothing to do with McAlister's makeup for that role. Fact is that starting Rouse accomplishes the dual task of weakening your bench by removing your most reliable scorer of the bench players, and makes you much smaller, significantly less athletic, and poorly matched up against most opponents on both ends. Makes no sense whatsoever.
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You see the same themes play out on every message board. You have critics and you have Kool Aid drinkers. The Kool Aid drinkers will defend their team regardless of what the team's faults are. If you are one of the Kool Aid drinkers (ie. SB Patriot) then any questioning of the way the team is run is out of bounds. The people questioning Pikiell's use of 11 players per game and often subbing out all five startes after they have established a double digit lead are not second guessing. They have been vocal about this for the past two years. This was an issue all last year also. Hopefully the team plays well this coming weekend and finds a way to win two. If that happens then the squabbles of the past few days will be replaced with euphoric joy.
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It's not Kool-aid drinking if it makes sense. His solutions don't. That simple. And the term critic implies some sort of knowledge and a theory prior to the event. Otherwise it's just good old Monday morning quarterbacking and second guessing. I've noted the flaws of SB many times over the years, but Im not gonna play the blame game to rationalize a loss. Done.
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