OT - Nice try getting aound Title 9 Quinnipiac - Basketball Forum : Professional and College Basketball Forums

SaltySeawolf · 08-10-2012, 02:34 PM

Quinn tried to say that Cheerleading is a sport in order to drop women's volley ball and still be in compliance with Title 9. A federal court ruled against them today.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highsc...155124994.html

oldvmter · 08-10-2012, 04:37 PM

we could have saved them substantial legal expenses.
i believe other colleges already tried this route.
what kind of admin folks do they have down there?

**ball_of_rubber** · 08-10-2012, 05:20 PM

I remember when Maryland did this, withstood the negitive publicity, and wound up cutting it, along with six other sports.

Aceinthehole · 08-11-2012, 06:40 AM

IMO, the best (or most damming) part of this story isn't that they tried to count cheerleading as a athletic opportunity for women.

They they cooked the books of all the rosters. They would count women 3x for cross country, indoor, and outdoor track. Then they would add softball players before they deadline, but then drop them after reporting to the NEC/NCAA. They would do the opposite for baseball, adding players after the reporting deadline.

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There were several issues amongst the team’s lawsuit. The plaintiffs argued that the school forced an appearance of compliance with Title IX by the way it counted its female athletes. It charged that Quinnipiac artificially manipulated its roster sizes.

The school eliminated its men’s track teams but maintained its women’s track teams. It then counted the women who ran on the cross country and the indoor and outdoor track teams three times, even though they were the same athletes in many cases.

Underhill agreed with the plaintiffs, ruling that such female runners should only be counted once.

“Quinnipiac’s practice of requiring women cross-country runners to participate on the indoor and outdoor track teams, and its treatment of the indoor and outdoor track teams as, in essence, an adjunct of the cross-country team, are sufficient to show that some cross-country runners who participate on the indoor and outdoor track teams should not be counted under Title IX,” he wrote.

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2...mode=fullstory

A great article from 2009 detailing all their Title IX issues.
http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2...a1-quvball.txt

NU Hoop Fan · 08-11-2012, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Aceinthehole

IMO, the best (or most damming) part of this story isn't that they tried to count cheerleading as a athletic opportunity for women.

They they cooked the books of all the rosters. They would count women 3x for cross country, indoor, and outdoor track. Then they would add softball players before they deadline, but then drop them after reporting to the NEC/NCAA. They would do the opposite for baseball, adding players after the reporting deadline.

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2...mode=fullstory

A great article from 2009 detailing all their Title IX issues.
http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2...a1-quvball.txt

Ironically, I worked on two expert witness matters before Judge Underhill. The guy looks and sounds like Jim Tressel's twin brother. A total no nonsense down to earth guy. Based on how he ruled in my matters before him, I could picture him reaming out Quinnipiac for their scheming.

mainejeff · 08-11-2012, 10:04 AM

This makes me very wary of allowing the Q into AE.

UNHFan · 08-11-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mainejeff

This makes me very wary of allowing the Q into AE.

I agree. Why not invite CCSU and/or Monmouth?

umainealum · 08-11-2012, 03:41 PM

I will say though...and this is not meant to "stick up" for the Q, but there are loads of schools that count athletes twice when they do both indoor/outdoor track. And schools often ask athletes to at least try out and end up counting them because they tried out.

oldvmter · 08-11-2012, 04:17 PM

i believe q was attempting to skirt title nine with no intention of following the spirit of the rule.
the more i hear about q in a number of areas (including academics) the more i agree with unhfan.
perhaps i'm wrong but i think there are many issues at q below the water's surface.

NU Hoop Fan · 08-12-2012, 10:47 AM

Should we ban schools from the league if one of their teams had a hazing scandal?

Should we ban schools from the league if their coaches have run ins with the law?

Should we ban a school when the AD and Basketball coach are involved in cover ups?

Let's all not get holier than thou.

What Quinnipiac did was deemed illegal in a court of law. We all know their academics may not be up to par for many current members of the AE, and I'm NOT a QC rumpswab, but let's all not get righteous as ALL of our schools have issues.

mainejeff · 08-12-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NU Hoop Fan

Should we ban schools from the league if one of their teams had a hazing scandal?

Should we ban schools from the league if their coaches have run ins with the law?

Should we ban a school when the AD and Basketball coach are involved in cover ups?

Let's all not get holier than thou.

What Quinnipiac did was deemed illegal in a court of law. We all know their academics may not be up to par for many current members of the AE, and I'm NOT a QC rumpswab, but let's all not get righteous as ALL of our schools have issues.

Are you saying that NU wants back in?

NU Hoop Fan · 08-12-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mainejeff

Are you saying that NU wants back in?

Oh yes, my wife is yearning to go to Binghamton and Orono during February vacation. I personally miss the Sheraton Burlington and the Marriott on Wolf Road.

That's the one good thing about the CAA, she always checks the schedule for where NU is playing during Feb vacation (her roommate from NU lives in NC).

ccd494 · 08-12-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NU Hoop Fan

Oh yes, my wife is yearning to go to Binghamton and Orono during February vacation. I personally miss the Sheraton Burlington and the Marriott on Wolf Road.

That's the one good thing about the CAA, she always checks the schedule for where NU is playing during Feb vacation (her roommate from NU lives in NC).

Mmm. Harrisonburg is lovely in February.

08-10-2012, 02:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
SaltySeawolf Veteran Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,043 Rep Power: 11770	OT - Nice try getting aound Title 9 Quinnipiac Quinn tried to say that Cheerleading is a sport in order to drop women's volley ball and still be in compliance with Title 9. A federal court ruled against them today. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highsc...155124994.html

08-10-2012, 04:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
oldvmter Rookie Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 72 Rep Power: 1402	Re: OT - Nice try getting aound Title 9 Quinnipiac we could have saved them substantial legal expenses. i believe other colleges already tried this route. what kind of admin folks do they have down there?

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ball_of_rubber Head Rally Monkey Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Las Vegas Age: 30 Posts: 2,289 Rep Power: 510	Re: OT - Nice try getting aound Title 9 Quinnipiac I remember when Maryland did this, withstood the negitive publicity, and wound up cutting it, along with six other sports. __________________ Stop calling us the Terriers. http://retrieverbasketballrallymonkey.com/

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mainejeff All-Star Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,206 Rep Power: 37820	Re: OT - Nice try getting aound Title 9 Quinnipiac This makes me very wary of allowing the Q into AE.

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umainealum Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,409 Rep Power: 28923	Re: OT - Nice try getting aound Title 9 Quinnipiac I will say though...and this is not meant to "stick up" for the Q, but there are loads of schools that count athletes twice when they do both indoor/outdoor track. And schools often ask athletes to at least try out and end up counting them because they tried out. __________________ UMaine - the epitome of mediocrity Proud supporter of an AMERICA EAST team that made a coaching change...

08-11-2012, 04:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
oldvmter Rookie Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 72 Rep Power: 1402	Re: OT - Nice try getting aound Title 9 Quinnipiac i believe q was attempting to skirt title nine with no intention of following the spirit of the rule. the more i hear about q in a number of areas (including academics) the more i agree with unhfan. perhaps i'm wrong but i think there are many issues at q below the water's surface.

08-12-2012, 10:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
NU Hoop Fan All-Star Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 5,083 Rep Power: 32212	Re: OT - Nice try getting aound Title 9 Quinnipiac Should we ban schools from the league if one of their teams had a hazing scandal? Should we ban schools from the league if their coaches have run ins with the law? Should we ban a school when the AD and Basketball coach are involved in cover ups? Let's all not get holier than thou. What Quinnipiac did was deemed illegal in a court of law. We all know their academics may not be up to par for many current members of the AE, and I'm NOT a QC rumpswab, but let's all not get righteous as ALL of our schools have issues. __________________ Today is the first day of the next 86 years!

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