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ecasadoSBU · 09-12-2012, 07:04 AM

Lets get some thrash talking started

Boston University #51
Binghamton #89
Stony Brook #92 (Jumped back to the top 100 from #111)
Vermont #92
UNH #106
Albany #131
Maine #156

Hartford NR
UMBC NR

ccd494 · 09-12-2012, 07:27 AM

I'll talk some trash that has nothing to do with where Maine is (probably properly) ranked....

How is a crappy publication like USNWR responsible for determining the quality of America's top educational institutions?

bosiydid · 09-12-2012, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ecasadoSBU

Lets get some thrash talking started

Boston University #51
Binghamton #89
Stony Brook #92 (Jumped back to the top 100 from #111)
Vermont #92
UNH #106
Albany #131
Maine #156

Hartford NR
UMBC NR

Any idea where UA was ranked last year...just wondering.

ecasadoSBU · 09-12-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bosiydid

Any idea where UA was ranked last year...just wondering.

I think 138

ecasadoSBU · 09-12-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ccd494

I'll talk some trash that has nothing to do with where Maine is (probably properly) ranked....

How is a crappy publication like USNWR responsible for determining the quality of America's top educational institutions?

Idk... I think its pretty crappy also. But its relevance cannot be ignored. A lot of high school kids look at these things. I think this one is most accepted one also

bosiydid · 09-12-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ecasadoSBU

Idk... I think its pretty crappy also. But its relevance cannot be ignored. A lot of high school kids look at these things. I think this one is most accepted one also

Agreed...regardless of the quality of the analysis, fact of the matter is, tons of people look at this publication.

Nice job by the other SUNY's...good to see UA also moving up a few spots.

Binghamtonswag · 09-12-2012, 01:05 PM

Nice to see Binghamton jump Vermont and become the highest ranking of the remaining America east schools

ecasadoSBU · 09-12-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Binghamtonswag

Nice to see Binghamton jump Vermont and become the highest ranking of the remaining America east schools

Thats right! Binghamton is a solid school and the best SUNY university center according to this ranking. Its been lingering in the 80-90 positions of the USNWR report for a while.

Hopefully SBU can keep climbing and take that away. lol

Buffalo is #106

UAalum72 · 09-12-2012, 04:45 PM

Related: Albany finally gets a new president
http://www.albany.edu/news/28617.php...e&WT.svl=image

ecasadoSBU · 09-12-2012, 06:30 PM

SBUs Highest ranking position ever:
http://commcgi.cc.stonybrook.edu/am2...html?=marquee4

ccd494 · 09-13-2012, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bosiydid

Agreed...regardless of the quality of the analysis, fact of the matter is, tons of people look at this publication.

Nice job by the other SUNY's...good to see UA also moving up a few spots.

I agree that people look at it. I also have a ton of respect for schools that basically tell USNWR to **** off. St. John's in Annapolis is muuuuuuuuch better than the 133rd best liberal arts school in the country, but they refuse to take any part in reporting data.

I just think it's a ridiculously stupid way to gauge anything at all. It creates an environment where kids are making dumb decisions like "Well, I got a $15,000 grant to the #45 school, which has the exact major I want, but I also got into the #20 school, and I feel like that is too big a gap to turn down."

It also creates an environment where the schools game data. When's the last time a school (particularly a grad school- looking at you, law schools) accurately reported its employment data? Two schools (one being Emory) admitted to outright lying about SAT scores.

What colleges kids apply to should be a personal choice that has more to do with finding a good fit, getting a good financial aid package, recognizing that a school may have a niche in a specific field, etc. than it does trying to get into the "best." Additionally, hiring should have more to do with the individual applicant than with the artificial prestige of the applicant's alma mater. If an accounting firm or wherever gets 500 applications for a job, it's just going to grab maybe 20 kids from the top 30 schools to interview. Newsflash: you can coast through Boston University and learn nothing, just like you can grind it out and get a great education at UMaine.

bosiydid · 09-13-2012, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ccd494

I agree that people look at it. I also have a ton of respect for schools that basically tell USNWR to **** off. St. John's in Annapolis is muuuuuuuuch better than the 133rd best liberal arts school in the country, but they refuse to take any part in reporting data.

I just think it's a ridiculously stupid way to gauge anything at all. It creates an environment where kids are making dumb decisions like "Well, I got a $15,000 grant to the #45 school, which has the exact major I want, but I also got into the #20 school, and I feel like that is too big a gap to turn down."

It also creates an environment where the schools game data. When's the last time a school (particularly a grad school- looking at you, law schools) accurately reported its employment data? Two schools (one being Emory) admitted to outright lying about SAT scores.

What colleges kids apply to should be a personal choice that has more to do with finding a good fit, getting a good financial aid package, recognizing that a school may have a niche in a specific field, etc. than it does trying to get into the "best." Additionally, hiring should have more to do with the individual applicant than with the artificial prestige of the applicant's alma mater. If an accounting firm or wherever gets 500 applications for a job, it's just going to grab maybe 20 kids from the top 30 schools to interview. Newsflash: you can coast through Boston University and learn nothing, just like you can grind it out and get a great education at UMaine.

Agreed...ones willingness to learn regardless of the school has more to do with future success then what school you hold a diploma from. All things being equal, the school WILL probably swing things in your favor but all things are not equal.

mainejeff · 09-13-2012, 09:15 AM

If only UMaine would be less true to its mission.......like UNH and UVM.

mainejeff · 09-13-2012, 09:16 AM

If only UMaine would be less true to its mission.......like UNH and UVM.

ecasadoSBU · 09-13-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ccd494

I agree that people look at it. I also have a ton of respect for schools that basically tell USNWR to **** off. St. John's in Annapolis is muuuuuuuuch better than the 133rd best liberal arts school in the country, but they refuse to take any part in reporting data.

I just think it's a ridiculously stupid way to gauge anything at all. It creates an environment where kids are making dumb decisions like "Well, I got a $15,000 grant to the #45 school, which has the exact major I want, but I also got into the #20 school, and I feel like that is too big a gap to turn down."

It also creates an environment where the schools game data. When's the last time a school (particularly a grad school- looking at you, law schools) accurately reported its employment data? Two schools (one being Emory) admitted to outright lying about SAT scores.

What colleges kids apply to should be a personal choice that has more to do with finding a good fit, getting a good financial aid package, recognizing that a school may have a niche in a specific field, etc. than it does trying to get into the "best." Additionally, hiring should have more to do with the individual applicant than with the artificial prestige of the applicant's alma mater. If an accounting firm or wherever gets 500 applications for a job, it's just going to grab maybe 20 kids from the top 30 schools to interview. Newsflash: you can coast through Boston University and learn nothing, just like you can grind it out and get a great education at UMaine.

Unfortunately... everything in life has rankings. That just the way our model works. Rankings for best hospitals, for best college football team, best university, top law firm, Human development Index rankings, Rankings by Gross domestic product, ... and so on. None of them are truly accurate at providing which service/country/institution is better than the other. But we still use this rankings all the time. Its the way our system works. We have set up a whole system based on reputation. But reputation only talks about the past, not really the future...

09-12-2012, 07:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
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09-12-2012, 07:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
ccd494 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,245 Rep Power: 216493	Re: OT: USNWR released for 2012 I'll talk some trash that has nothing to do with where Maine is (probably properly) ranked.... How is a crappy publication like USNWR responsible for determining the quality of America's top educational institutions?

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Binghamtonswag Rookie Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 82 Rep Power: 1	Re: OT: USNWR released for 2012 Nice to see Binghamton jump Vermont and become the highest ranking of the remaining America east schools

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09-12-2012, 06:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
ecasadoSBU Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stony Brook, NY Posts: 2,343 Rep Power: 9250	Re: OT: USNWR released for 2012 SBUs Highest ranking position ever: http://commcgi.cc.stonybrook.edu/am2...html?=marquee4 __________________ Everything a Stony Brook Fan Needs: SBU FANS Message Board - http://sbufan.createaforum.com/index.php I'MASEAWOLF News/Fan board/Blog: http://www.imaseawolf.com/ WUSB.FM - SBU Athletics Radio Streaming & Sports Blog: http://sbradiosports.blogspot.com/ Official Stony Brook Athletics Site: http://www.goseawolves.org/

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