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Old 11-24-2012, 10:21 PM   #46 (permalink)
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No, I wasn't one of the guys that wanted Will Brown fired...however, I wasn't going to just keep excusing losing season after losing season either. Apparently you'll just keep on keeping on and swallowing the L's. Trust me, there are coaches that CAN win at UNH, just gotta find the right one. Harrion isn't it...
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No, I wasn't one of the guys that wanted Will Brown fired...however, I wasn't going to just keep excusing losing season after losing season either. Apparently you'll just keep on keeping on and swallowing the L's. Trust me, there are coaches that CAN win at UNH, just gotta find the right one. Harrion isn't it...
Let me guess you have a list of guys that could win at UNH at the ready don't you? Well please educate me who are these great coaches with the admission standards that Herrion has faced that could do a better job than him. Please educate me.
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There are plenty of schools with tougher academic requirements that are better basketball teams than unh. Just because UNH has a little tougher academic standards does not give them an excuse for average. It's not like the AE is boiling with talent lately. There are plenty of reasons why UNH can succeed in the AE. I can't remember the last time UNH had a top 3 recruiting class in the AE.
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I went to my first basketball game of the season Bing vs Marrywood. It’s hard to take away much when you are playing a d3 team but this is the only live bing game I’ve had been to so I try. To start Jorden Reed is the real deal. His vertical leap is nuts. He can get off the floor more then someone who is 5 inches taller than him. Down the road he is going to make some America East dunk highlights. Freeman seemed lost out there for most of the time. He played good in the paint for a bit, but mostly seemed lost. Gray is the same Gray from last year. Waller I think is a work in progress, there is talent there but he hasn't adjusted to the college level yet. Lastly, I was impressed with K.J Brown progression. He is playing a lot more un-selfishly than last year (when it seemed like anytime he got the ball he wanted to shoot it). I think his speed fits well in the Dempsey coaching system.
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Let me guess you have a list of guys that could win at UNH at the ready don't you? Well please educate me who are these great coaches with the admission standards that Herrion has faced that could do a better job than him. Please educate me.
Are these the same recruiting standards they use for the football and hockey teams? It seems that they don't have a lot of problems being competitive in those sports.
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I've tried to keep quiet on Herrion this year and give him the benefit of the doubt, because I actually do think his recruiting has improved and the talent level is clearly better than it was four years ago. I think the problem is that while the talent is better, the shooting is unfortunately not. We still cannot shoot the ball or make free-throws. This is what aggravates me. We REGULARLY shoot 50% from the line and like, 15% from three. Why do we have a bunch of basketball players that cannot execute the fundamental aspects of shooting? I was watching the game on gamecast on my phone as I drove home last night, and these are things I saw, "x missed layup, x missed free throw." The way basketball generally works is that if you get the talented, potential superstar types, they tend to have a rough time ironing out the edges (free-throws, layups, etc.) because they're focused on becoming superstars. Alternatively, you get the guys that really don't have any professional future but execute fundamentals extremely well (free-throws, layups, etc.). We seem to be the only team out there that can neither execute fundamentals nor take over a game with a potential superstar. So I say, what the hell is the plan?

Again, it's only five games and I like Herrion a lot as a person. I think he's made a concerted effort to get the ball inside more, and it's impossible to look at the recruiting and say it hasn't improved. That said, when we play a lineup that includes Chandler Rhoads and Jordon Bronner at the two guard spots, I just don't see how we win many games in a guard dominated league when neither can shoot at all.

I continue to reserve judgment until conference play, but my problem isn't with recruiting or scheme so much (3's have dropped, they've worked to get it to Pelcher and Matagrano inside) .. but why do we continue to be so terrible at fundamentals and shooting?
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Are these the same recruiting standards they use for the football and hockey teams? It seems that they don't have a lot of problems being competitive in those sports.
They are sir. Now you must look at the history of UNH football. The early years of Coach Mac's tenure were not much different the those of Bill Herrion's here at UNH but then a Ricky Santos and David Ball fell into their lap like a TJ and Taylor for UVM and the rest is history. UNH Hockey has lost very talented players that went to BC, BU when UNH said no you can't come in but those other HE schools would take them? I will say it again UNH had 6 players say we want to come to UNH for basketball and admissions said nope you don't cut it here. They're all playing Div I ball and some at Aeast schools.
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I've tried to keep quiet on Herrion this year and give him the benefit of the doubt, because I actually do think his recruiting has improved and the talent level is clearly better than it was four years ago. I think the problem is that while the talent is better, the shooting is unfortunately not. We still cannot shoot the ball or make free-throws. This is what aggravates me. We REGULARLY shoot 50% from the line and like, 15% from three. Why do we have a bunch of basketball players that cannot execute the fundamental aspects of shooting? I was watching the game on gamecast on my phone as I drove home last night, and these are things I saw, "x missed layup, x missed free throw." The way basketball generally works is that if you get the talented, potential superstar types, they tend to have a rough time ironing out the edges (free-throws, layups, etc.) because they're focused on becoming superstars. Alternatively, you get the guys that really don't have any professional future but execute fundamentals extremely well (free-throws, layups, etc.). We seem to be the only team out there that can neither execute fundamentals nor take over a game with a potential superstar. So I say, what the hell is the plan?

Again, it's only five games and I like Herrion a lot as a person. I think he's made a concerted effort to get the ball inside more, and it's impossible to look at the recruiting and say it hasn't improved. That said, when we play a lineup that includes Chandler Rhoads and Jordon Bronner at the two guard spots, I just don't see how we win many games in a guard dominated league when neither can shoot at all.

I continue to reserve judgment until conference play, but my problem isn't with recruiting or scheme so much (3's have dropped, they've worked to get it to Pelcher and Matagrano inside) .. but why do we continue to be so terrible at fundamentals and shooting?
Wren I thought I would hear from you sooner than later. I'm a former high school coach all be it at the women's side but how much of the lack of fundamentals being able to shoot the ball, hit free throws, box out is a statement to what the high school game has become today. For all of these guys at the Div I level they were the man at their respective high school where a lot of time fundamentals are not taught or at least worked on they way they should be and then with AAU come on forget about it. I'm not sure Fundamentals even play a role in AAU basketball.

I agree at the recruiting just the eye test tells you these 3 freshmen are more ready for Div I basketball then any we have had at UNH in Herrion's tenure. That along with the signing of John Edwards who even respected UVM fans have said is a good pick up for UNH and a scoring PG out of Texas is a sign of the positive steps were making in recruiting. That leaves Herrion with 3 scholarships left (assuming the talk of Jones quitting is true) and we have some brand new areas that we now have a foothold in that are going to help us in recruiting. Also I can't forget Matt Miller who is a pure shooter Wren you will like him.
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Wren I thought I would hear from you sooner than later. I'm a former high school coach all be it at the women's side but how much of the lack of fundamentals being able to shoot the ball, hit free throws, box out is a statement to what the high school game has become today. For all of these guys at the Div I level they were the man at their respective high school where a lot of time fundamentals are not taught or at least worked on they way they should be and then with AAU come on forget about it. I'm not sure Fundamentals even play a role in AAU basketball.

I agree at the recruiting just the eye test tells you these 3 freshmen are more ready for Div I basketball then any we have had at UNH in Herrion's tenure. That along with the signing of John Edwards who even respected UVM fans have said is a good pick up for UNH and a scoring PG out of Texas is a sign of the positive steps were making in recruiting. That leaves Herrion with 3 scholarships left (assuming the talk of Jones quitting is true) and we have some brand new areas that we now have a foothold in that are going to help us in recruiting. Also I can't forget Matt Miller who is a pure shooter Wren you will like him.
I mean, Scott Morris is a pure shooter, too; he just can't get open.

So I buy completely that the HS/AAU level is not emphasizing fundamentals the way they should ... doesn't that mean that EVERYONE should have the same issue with fundamentals coming into the college game? Why is it that not everyone is shooting 55% from FT, 11% from 3 and struggling to generate scoring chances? Don't you think that has to do with coaching? It's not like O'Day is struggling with this at UVM. Hell, we barely play freshman and they're still struggling with it.
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I mean, Scott Morris is a pure shooter, too; he just can't get open.

So I buy completely that the HS/AAU level is not emphasizing fundamentals the way they should ... doesn't that mean that EVERYONE should have the same issue with fundamentals coming into the college game? Why is it that not everyone is shooting 55% from FT, 11% from 3 and struggling to generate scoring chances? Don't you think that has to do with coaching? It's not like O'Day is struggling with this at UVM. Hell, we barely play freshman and they're still struggling with it.
Wren I've watched practice before. I don't see it as being a coaching issue. To me FT's and I think you would agree is a mental thing it truly is. Boxing out is hardwork its a heart thing. Also from the 3 games I have seen this year this team seems to be still getting used to playing a different way ie. looking inside instead of chucking up the 3 ball. I loved what I saw yesterday which put us on a 13-3 run which was this line up to start....

PG: Chandler Rhoads
SG: CHris Orozco
SF: Patrick Konan
PF: Ferg Myrick
C: Chris Pelcher

I love Rhoads as a defender, rebounder but I agree when he is out there he should be the 5th option and yesterday day he did that with four other scorers with him and then made a hell of a run. This is a line-up I would like to see them going with going forward. Let's give this team time to find its self and figure things out. I'm hoping to see them string together some w's at home starting this weekend! To me this is truly a new team and Herrion trying to get 10 guys mins which includes the 3 freshmen that is a positive sign. They've lost Garret Jones by doing this but to me clean out the deadweight. He couldnt handle losing his job to a freshman then see ya we don't need you.
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Wren I've watched practice before. I don't see it as being a coaching issue. To me FT's and I think you would agree is a mental thing it truly is. Boxing out is hardwork its a heart thing. Also from the 3 games I have seen this year this team seems to be still getting used to playing a different way ie. looking inside instead of chucking up the 3 ball. I loved what I saw yesterday which put us on a 13-3 run which was this line up to start....

PG: Chandler Rhoads
SG: CHris Orozco
SF: Patrick Konan
PF: Ferg Myrick
C: Chris Pelcher

I love Rhoads as a defender, rebounder but I agree when he is out there he should be the 5th option and yesterday day he did that with four other scorers with him and then made a hell of a run. This is a line-up I would like to see them going with going forward. Let's give this team time to find its self and figure things out. I'm hoping to see them string together some w's at home starting this weekend! To me this is truly a new team and Herrion trying to get 10 guys mins which includes the 3 freshmen that is a positive sign. They've lost Garret Jones by doing this but to me clean out the deadweight. He couldnt handle losing his job to a freshman then see ya we don't need you.

I think we're ignoring the issue. If we practice well, why aren't we good at fundamentals? Why is everyone better fundamentally than we are? I get that you've been practice and see the practices...what is everyone else doing better than us? Fundamentals don't equate to talent so it's not a recruiting thing..
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What three wins do you see for the AE?

Canisius @ Stony Brook 12pm

Central Connecticut @ Hartford 4pm

New Hampshire @ Holy Cross 4pm

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I thought SBU ,, Bing ,, and BU as winners. I almost went for 4-1 with Hartford ..coulda,woulda,shoulda
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Wren we should have on our thread going to discuss this issue. Wren like I've said before I believe that FT shooting is a mental thing I truly do. They can practice all that they want but once they have it in their head about missing that is tough. In terms of shooting percentages I couldnt tell you we just lost to a HOly Cross team who is shooting it about as poorly as we are but do a great job at the charity stripe and rebounding. I would love to look at the stats from our first few games to see how the opposing teams percentages are. I would guess they shoot a much higher foul shooting percentage and rebound be a wider margin but that shooting is not that big of a difference.
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They are sir. Now you must look at the history of UNH football. The early years of Coach Mac's tenure were not much different the those of Bill Herrion's here at UNH but then a Ricky Santos and David Ball fell into their lap like a TJ and Taylor for UVM and the rest is history. UNH Hockey has lost very talented players that went to BC, BU when UNH said no you can't come in but those other HE schools would take them? I will say it again UNH had 6 players say we want to come to UNH for basketball and admissions said nope you don't cut it here. They're all playing Div I ball and some at Aeast schools.- UNHFan
I respect most of what you post UNHFan but I no longer buy this one about getting kids admitted.

I know you have a transfer who wasn't a rocket scientist coming out of HS, so I am just guessing he must have gotten some real good grades at the school he transfered from (one with alot of suspect student/basketball athletes), if UNH admitted him others should be able to get in.

Correct me if I am wrong!
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