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Old 11-25-2012, 06:40 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Awesome article.....thanks. Sam.....what are your thoughts on Cooper compared to some of the other quality frosh PG's we have in the league this year?
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I respect most of what you post UNHFan but I no longer buy this one about getting kids admitted.

I know you have a transfer who wasn't a rocket scientist coming out of HS, so I am just guessing he must have gotten some real good grades at the school he transfered from (one with alot of suspect student/basketball athletes), if UNH admitted him others should be able to get in.

Correct me if I am wrong!
Patch I don't know what else to tell you. It is plain and simple what I have said on the subject and please trust me I have knowledge of what I'm talking about. Now if you don't believe that there is nothing I can do about that. UNH gets no breaks with being able to bring kids in that might be close to UNH standards. I wish this wasnt true but it is sadly.
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UNHFan I have no reason to doubt you as I am ignorant regarding UNH admissions.

I just was wondering about one athlete I had some knowledge about maybe he made a great turn around at his previous school!

I have alot of respect for Coach Herrion all I know is they play hard and give UA fits.
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Are these the same recruiting standards they use for the football and hockey teams? It seems that they don't have a lot of problems being competitive in those sports.
Exactly...Football has to fill 50+ ship and can do it AND WIN...
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Patch I don't know what else to tell you. It is plain and simple what I have said on the subject and please trust me I have knowledge of what I'm talking about. Now if you don't believe that there is nothing I can do about that. UNH gets no breaks with being able to bring kids in that might be close to UNH standards. I wish this wasnt true but it is sadly.
How does football do it?
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UNHFan I have no reason to doubt you as I am ignorant regarding UNH admissions.

I just was wondering about one athlete I had some knowledge about maybe he made a great turn around at his previous school!

I have alot of respect for Coach Herrion all I know is they play hard and give UA fits.
That is funny I look it the same way as I have great respect for Coach Brown and those teams god always have great talent play so hard and we always have great battles. I will look into the Pelcher piece. But as of yesterday I know that there has been no watering down of the UNH admissions for athletes. Really impressed with how your team is playing as I'm sure you are. Can't wait to head out to SEFCU for the tournament this year.
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I'll say again that there isn't enough statistical information available to draw any conclusions about the current team. I'd prefer to wait until the end of non-conference to make any kind of opinion. What I will say though is that I don't think fundamentals are being taught well enough at the coaching level with this team. I DO think that the recruiting has improved considerably.
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How does football do it?
Hey where is my list of replacements for Herrion? Please give me 5 names of guys that could do a better job. Football has one of the highest gpa's of any sports team at the university.
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....Really impressed with how your team is playing as I'm sure you are. Can't wait to head out to SEFCU for the tournament this year. - UNHF
It's a fun group to watch and root for I just hope they continue to improve.

I am very happy that the tourney is at UA. I only hope we can do a job similar to what Hartford has done!!!!

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How does football do it?
Bosiydid, you're a smart man -- I think?

It's easier for a program to recruit with a winning history -- football and hockey -- than it is for a program with a dismal history -- basketball.

Now here's the thing with UNH admissions. Admissions for athletes is exactly the same for students. That's rare in D1 sports. It's not like that for many schools, honestly.

But this isn't new. It was happening when Phil Rowe was here. Rowe quit, not because his record, but because he had 3 athletes denied admission -- Kyle Savley, a Sullinger brother who went to Kent St and Kyle Dodd.

Men's hockey lost a few recruits in the past couple years, but Dick Umile is still able to get good players here. Herrion could too -- if he could recruit.

So it's not like UNH has Ivy League admissions, they're just not bending AT ALL for athletes in comparison to the regular student body. Some people in the athletic department feel the school is getting tougher on athletes, but I don't know if that's true. It's a hurdle, but men's hockey and football can get over it.

It's stupid to blame UNH's lack of success on this. It's not the admission's fault that Herrion can't get guards in this program that can shoot. Shooting guards are a dime a dozen out there in the high school/prep circuit.
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Bosiydid, you're a smart man -- I think?

It's easier for a program to recruit with a winning history -- football and hockey -- than it is for a program with a dismal history -- basketball.

Now here's the thing with UNH admissions. Admissions for athletes is exactly the same for students. That's rare in D1 sports. It's not like that for many schools, honestly.

But this isn't new. It was happening when Phil Rowe was here. Rowe quit, not because his record, but because he had 3 athletes denied admission -- Kyle Savley, a Sullinger brother who went to Kent St and Kyle Dodd.

Men's hockey lost a few recruits in the past couple years, but Dick Umile is still able to get good players here. Herrion could too -- if he could recruit.

So it's not like UNH has Ivy League admissions, they're just not bending AT ALL for athletes in comparison to the regular student body. Some people in the athletic department feel the school is getting tougher on athletes, but I don't know if that's true. It's a hurdle, but men's hockey and football can get over it.

It's stupid to blame UNH's lack of success on this. It's not the admission's fault that Herrion can't get guards in this program that can shoot. Shooting guards are a dime a dozen out there in the high school/prep circuit.
Fast I agree with your point about winning has helped both Hockey and Football but UNH basketball has had some very good players say yes in the past year or so to have them denied admissions. One was a legit center that may have turned this program around. YOu must agree that the recruiting has gotten better this year and going forward with next year's crew.

If not Herrion than who with these type of admissions requirements and our history can be successful at UNH. I argue that it has taken Herrion 8 years to turn this program into being average in our conference but I truly believe with the better recruiting that they're ready to take that next step.

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Bosiydid, you're a smart man -- I think?

It's easier for a program to recruit with a winning history -- football and hockey -- than it is for a program with a dismal history -- basketball.

Now here's the thing with UNH admissions. Admissions for athletes is exactly the same for students. That's rare in D1 sports. It's not like that for many schools, honestly.

But this isn't new. It was happening when Phil Rowe was here. Rowe quit, not because his record, but because he had 3 athletes denied admission -- Kyle Savley, a Sullinger brother who went to Kent St and Kyle Dodd.

Men's hockey lost a few recruits in the past couple years, but Dick Umile is still able to get good players here. Herrion could too -- if he could recruit.

So it's not like UNH has Ivy League admissions, they're just not bending AT ALL for athletes in comparison to the regular student body. Some people in the athletic department feel the school is getting tougher on athletes, but I don't know if that's true. It's a hurdle, but men's hockey and football can get over it.

It's stupid to blame UNH's lack of success on this. It's not the admission's fault that Herrion can't get guards in this program that can shoot. Shooting guards are a dime a dozen out there in the high school/prep circuit.
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Bosiydid, you're a smart man -- I think?

It's easier for a program to recruit with a winning history -- football and hockey -- than it is for a program with a dismal history -- basketball.

Now here's the thing with UNH admissions. Admissions for athletes is exactly the same for students. That's rare in D1 sports. It's not like that for many schools, honestly.

But this isn't new. It was happening when Phil Rowe was here. Rowe quit, not because his record, but because he had 3 athletes denied admission -- Kyle Savley, a Sullinger brother who went to Kent St and Kyle Dodd.

Men's hockey lost a few recruits in the past couple years, but Dick Umile is still able to get good players here. Herrion could too -- if he could recruit.

So it's not like UNH has Ivy League admissions, they're just not bending AT ALL for athletes in comparison to the regular student body. Some people in the athletic department feel the school is getting tougher on athletes, but I don't know if that's true. It's a hurdle, but men's hockey and football can get over it.

It's stupid to blame UNH's lack of success on this. It's not the admission's fault that Herrion can't get guards in this program that can shoot. Shooting guards are a dime a dozen out there in the high school/prep circuit.
Great post, if this is the reality, so be it. I just feel like some UNH fans conveniently lean on the admissions crutch when they need an excuse for being barely mediocre.
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Herrion runs an offense that doesn't utilize the strengths of its players. Simple as that really. Contrast that with a team like UVM, and its coaches design the offense to maximize the abilities of its players.

Chandler Rhoads would be playing the Josh Elbaum role if he were on UVM. But on UNH, he's the "star", taking the most shots, and playing the most minutes. It's bizarre.

Herrion just doesn't get productivity out of his personnel. Ferg Myrick- he should have been another player like John Holland- and he is one of the more talented players I've seen come through the conference in recent years, but he's going to graduate with such a non-descript career- just like the majority of players that have come through UNH/Herrion. Konan is getting more shots up this year it looks like, but last year he hardly got any up....it was strange.

UNH is going to defend the crap out of you, but the offense is completely dependent on catching fire from 3- which for UNH happens infrequently.
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Herrion runs an offense that doesn't utilize the strengths of its players. Simple as that really. Contrast that with a team like UVM, and its coaches design the offense to maximize the abilities of its players.

Chandler Rhoads would be playing the Josh Elbaum role if he were on UVM. But on UNH, he's the "star", taking the most shots, and playing the most minutes. It's bizarre.

Herrion just doesn't get productivity out of his personnel. Ferg Myrick- he should have been another player like John Holland- and he is one of the more talented players I've seen come through the conference in recent years, but he's going to graduate with such a non-descript career- just like the majority of players that have come through UNH/Herrion. Konan is getting more shots up this year it looks like, but last year he hardly got any up....it was strange.

UNH is going to defend the crap out of you, but the offense is completely dependent on catching fire from 3- which for UNH happens infrequently.
You must remember about Ferg Myrick is that he had a serious knee injury his sophmore year in Durham and was still getting right last year. Patrick Konan couldnt stay on the floor last year do to him being in foul trouble. Not sure how you can blame either on Coach Herrion. In terms of Rhoads I don't think they treat him like a superstar but Herrion does love how hard he plays and the way he really guards you. The guy has been first team America East defense the past two years. I think you see Herrion this year trying to run an offense that better matches his personal, they now look to go inside, are attempting to push the ball up the floor. This is a different basketball team but it takes time after for the past three years being an outside shooting team that if the 3 ball was on they beat you and if not we know what happened. The 3 losses had nothing to do with Herrion's offense but more so with their ability to rebound, shoot foul shots and at times play good d. Herrion is trying to fix a program that has been awful since the early 1900s hence it has taken him 8 years to finally get the talent and pieces where they can be competive everynight. They have that now, they can compete every night but now they have to learn how to win. The FT's is a mental thing for these guys and that is tough to get over. I truly believe Herrion has them ready to take that next step this year it has only been five games come on let's judge this once they have been through conference play once please. In terms of Herrion being fired I don't see it and wouldnt be surprised to see an extension get done in the off season.
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