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Old 12-06-2012, 08:55 AM   #181 (permalink)
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Re: Towson @ UVM 12/5

Honestly, it doesn't matter.

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We've lost a number of talented players for whatever reason- some more bizarre/poorly handled than others- but over the past few years, the one constant that has remained the same is Vermont keeps winning.

That's the bottom line and all anyone needs to know about that.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:58 AM   #182 (permalink)
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Re: Towson @ UVM 12/5

A couple of quick thoughts: I thought Kilpatrick was really good last night. I didn't see the box score, but I suspect he played more minutes than usual. He does have a very high ceiling. I love O'day, but people saying he is a great defender is not entirely accurate. Sure, he does a decent job on other bigs, and can block shots, but the most important thing - HE CANNOT STAY ON THE FLOOR! Two of his fouls were on illegal screens which should NEVER happen to a player in our system. We set a bunch of screens on every possession. You've got to be able to do that. He's had foul trouble in every game. He needs to work that out, and I think he will, but last night he was a Freshman.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:18 PM   #183 (permalink)
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This might sound weird... but I'm kinda glad we lost this game. These players need to learn that if they play sloppy, they won't get away with it. I think a win might not have drove to point home here. Hopefully this can be the wake up call we need, much like the Binghamton loss last year.
Agree. I also thought of the Bing game.

Last night the Cats played a stinker. They let Towson dictate way too much of the way the game was played. They got outmuscled and outhustled. They didn't box out, and so gave Towson way too many second and third chances. The Cats were careless with the ball, appallingly and inconceivably so in the most crucial moments. And in those last minutes, UVM clanked off FT after FT. Towson made theirs. The Cats totally earned this loss.

Oh well, time to move on and hope lessons have been learned and all that.
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Old 12-06-2012, 04:20 PM   #184 (permalink)
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Re: Towson @ UVM 12/5

Oh, they EARNED it all right. They had to go deep into the bad team playbook to get "Awakening Giant" Towson a win. Ton's of TO's? Check. Bad rebounding? Check. Soft matadore defense? Check. And then still it took a most uncharacteristic FT shooting night to get the L. Hopefully they will take out the frustration of the last two games and whip Quinnipiac's ass.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:35 PM   #185 (permalink)
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Now you UVM gals are starting to get it. Tank the conf RPI so when u win the AE AQ you get 2 NCAA games including a win against the MEAC to pad your stats. Excellent loss vs Towson--one for the ages, and one that will go a long long way towards that PIG seeding and NCAA win to follow ! Now we're talking!
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Excellent win vs Fisher College. You really showed them what D1 college basketball is about. Flexed your muscles. There should be a banner hung up.
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Re: Towson @ UVM 12/5

Just now able to post about this game...

How crazy that our most consistent, reliable, clutch player turns that ball over twice at the end of the game. Not only were they turnovers, but they led to easy fast break points. Towson really didn't even have to try. Completely uncharacteristic game on multiple levels. FTs I think was the real issue in this game. It wasn't just that we missed them, it was that they were missed by guys that are typically excellent shooters.

Kiefer Douse can't get here soon enough, I think one reason Sandro had those turnovers was because he was tired. A real backup point guard that could take some pressure off of Sandro would help immensely. I know Elbaum can sometimes play good defense, but he can't shoot, the offense stagnates when he's in, he tends to make momentum swinging turnovers and has more turnovers than assists on the year. Having a second guy out there at the end of the game who can handle the basketball and not be invisible on offense would really help this team.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:13 AM   #188 (permalink)
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Just now able to post about this game...

How crazy that our most consistent, reliable, clutch player turns that ball over twice at the end of the game. Not only were they turnovers, but they led to easy fast break points. Towson really didn't even have to try. Completely uncharacteristic game on multiple levels. FTs I think was the real issue in this game. It wasn't just that we missed them, it was that they were missed by guys that are typically excellent shooters.

Kiefer Douse can't get here soon enough, I think one reason Sandro had those turnovers was because he was tired. A real backup point guard that could take some pressure off of Sandro would help immensely. I know Elbaum can sometimes play good defense, but he can't shoot, the offense stagnates when he's in, he tends to make momentum swinging turnovers and has more turnovers than assists on the year. Having a second guy out there at the end of the game who can handle the basketball and not be invisible on offense would really help this team.
No- it's two bad plays. Can't use the tired excuse. That's why we go 10 deep and have the substitutions we do-so players don't get tired. There should never, ever be an excuse that a Vermont player is ever tired unless it's like a double OT game or something.

Sandro is averaging 30mpg and while that's on the higher end for us w/ Voelkel- that's certainly not going to make anyone tired. If we had played back to back games and Sandro played 38min the day before then *maybe* that excuse would work.

He got stripped at the top of the key. He wasn't being strong with the ball. It's an embarrassing play for a PG. It got him rattled and that was the direct cause of the next subsequent turnover.

Elbaum doesn't sometimes play good defense, he plays good defense pretty much most, if not all, the time. He has almost as many steals as both Sandro and Voelkel and plays 1/3 as much. He also gets to the basket and draws fouls very well.

But the sad thing about Josh which you're right is he cannot really shoot and can't make FTs either, which limits how much time he can be out there. He also needs to cut down his turnovers.

But it's a stretch to indirectly say Elbaum's shortcomings caused Sandro to turn the ball over. Sandro was just...not good in that sequence.
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Re: Towson @ UVM 12/5

I wasn't there but I remember the color guy saying that Sandro looked "gassed" with about five minutes left. So that contributed to my comment.
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Excellent win vs Fisher College. You really showed them what D1 college basketball is about. Flexed your muscles. There should be a banner hung up.
The only banner that will get hung for UMO MBB will be on the women's side, as Mr. March is definitely headed for the exits.
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Re: Towson @ UVM 12/5

Sandro often looks tired to me.

I saw the second steal from fairly close range and the Towson player made it happen. He made a very fast burst for the ball from a few feet away. It surprised me and I guess it surprised Sandro.
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Sandro often looks tired to me.

I saw the second steal from fairly close range and the Towson player made it happen. He made a very fast burst for the ball from a few feet away. It surprised me and I guess it surprised Sandro.
I was pretty close too. My reaction was, well that's the risk you run when your offense starts with either a pass or a handoff to the wing. I'm sure the defender had seen that look 20 or 30 times during the game and just sat back and waited for the opportunity. It was a good defensive play.
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I agree, it was excellent defense, and it won the game for them.
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It looked more to me like a lazy diagonal pass to the wing that could have been picked off by anyone- least of all a team playing with momentum.

No ball fakes, not a crisp pass, nobody really moving to even help Sandro, just kinda of waiting around.

Bad play.
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Sandro often looks tired to me.
I think that's just his style. He looks kinda slow, but he's sneaky quick.
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