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Old 12-07-2012, 12:42 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Vermont Basketall Remaining OOC

Alumni96 UA knows all about ugly wins - had St Francis down 18-0 and had to come back to win.

But atleast we can say that's a game we would have coughed up last year.

I believe UVM is real GOOD but I just think WE all have to give our opponents some credit when they win.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:07 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Im agreeing with ya - Towson won and beat us in many aspects of the game. I found it hard to swallow how we lost versus that we lost. Coming back from a double digit defiect to gain a 8-9 point lead late in the second half and then give up the lead, at home......just a bad loss and Towson fought for it
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UVMHC for sure UVM will be fine but every once in awhile when UVM loses give credit to the other team.

It's always how you lost - it the other team never beats you.

After every loss most teams can say if we didn't throw the ball away or make some uncommon mistakes or if we made some of our easy shots.

Why not give some credit to your opponent.

We all know that the catamounts are the primary team in the AE but sometimes other teams do beat them.
We lost to Beniman and the Charity Stripe. Sorry, but I will not give Towson credit on this one.

URI and UCONN get full credit. Especially URI. I was pretty impressed.

Hell, St. Mikes gets credit for playing us hard in that EXH.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:18 AM   #19 (permalink)
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...We lost to Beniman and the Charity Stripe. Sorry, but I will not give Towson credit on this one.- Vermonster
Last I checked Beniman was on Towson's roster. I'm sure his teammates weren't working hard and trying to win the game.

Great observation Vermonster only UVM players get credit when they win.
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Re: Vermont Basketall Remaining OOC

I can't believe we only have 4 more OOC games remaining before conference play starts up. I feel like the season just started.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:35 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Last I checked Beniman was on Towson's roster. I'm sure his teammates weren't working hard and trying to win the game.

Great observation Vermonster only UVM players get credit when they win.

I think most UVM fans are concerned with how we play and not the other team. That's why you see UVM fans commenting on the problems UVM has so much. We should of could of won that game. UVM fans aren't going to downplay the loss by hyping up how well the other team played. As well as Towson played which was really just Benimon dominating, UVM loss this game by playing very poor. I care much more about how UVM plays than the other team and that's what I concentrate my comments on.

Benimon is a very good player but there is still no way UVM should let him drive by our guards coast to coast or not man up and box him out.
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uvm4life20 - I agree with most of your thoughts in the above post but just read every teams posts after a loss the fans say the same thing when they lose:

We had too many unforced turnovers
We missed too many FTs
We didn't box out
We missed alot of easy shots we normally make
We didn't rebound as well as we normally do

and on and on and on........

Other then FTS I think the other team has an impact on how we play and execute.

You may watch what your team is doing but if you want to now why they are doing it - it helps to watch the other team. Believe it or not they have an impact.
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uvm4life20 - I agree with most of your thoughts in the above post but just read every teams posts after a loss the fans say the same thing when they lose:

We had too many unforced turnovers
We missed too many FTs
We didn't box out
We missed alot of easy shots we normally make
We didn't rebound as well as we normally do

and on and on and on........

Other then FTS I think the other team has an impact on how we play and execute.

You may watch what your team is doing but if you want to now why they are doing it - it helps to watch the other team. Believe it or not they have an impact.
This seems to be a blanket statement that's being taken from one game and applied to all games, which is...wrong. The response to the Towson loss was much different than the response to the loss against UConn and URI.

It also doesn't seem like you have much of a point of reference to the Towson game either- did you even watch the specific plays occurring?
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uvm4life20 - I agree with most of your thoughts in the above post but just read every teams posts after a loss the fans say the same thing when they lose:

We had too many unforced turnovers
We missed too many FTs
We didn't box out
We missed alot of easy shots we normally make
We didn't rebound as well as we normally do

and on and on and on........

Other then FTS I think the other team has an impact on how we play and execute.

You may watch what your team is doing but if you want to now why they are doing it - it helps to watch the other team. Believe it or not they have an impact.
you will have those fans that complain and overreact to everything but the reason you see these things keep popping up is because they are reoccuring problems.

Our ft% will be up and down. We have some really good ft shooters and some really poor ones. Depending on who goes to the line will have a big affect on our %. Defensive rebounding has a been a problem lately. I think teams are trying to exploit us inside since we our not very big down low. The unforced turnovers are a huge problem. Defensive pressure has a huge affect on turnovers. UVM though has made big mental and unforced mistakes irrelevant to the pressure being applied. Some of these turnovers are inexcusable. These 3 problems you will see fans commenting on a lot.

as far as missing easy shots and rebounding like we normally do I havent seen this to be as big of a problem. Besides the ft's we havent missed too many bunnies. Voelkel is the only player I would refer to as not rebounding as he usually does. today was his first double digit rebounding game of the season.
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By explaining the loss as dependent on your own team's failures you don't have to admit that the other team is the better team.
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UCONN is the only team I would say is clearly better than UVM.
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Re: Vermont Basketall Remaining OOC

Someone mentioned how it was useless how Elbaum draws fouls and then misses his free throws. Atleast he doesn't miss them this poorly - http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-...74--ncaab.html
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By explaining the loss as dependent on your own team's failures you don't have to admit that the other team is the better team.
are you saying that no team has ever lost to a team that was better than them directly due to the way the better team played??????
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are you saying that no team has ever lost to a team that was better than them directly due to the way the better team played??????
I think what hes getting at is it's not good sportsmanship to explain away your lost. A lost is a lost. With that said Townson only lost to #15 Georgetown by 6 points, so Townson might be better then anyone thought?
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