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Old 12-14-2012, 01:33 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If George Mason and JMU leave, then what is the point of joining one bid CAA?
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Again, it is highly unlikely.

Let's say the CAA loses both George Mason and JMU. Do you really think NU, Hofstra or Drexel are paying an $1 million exit fee to go back to the AE?

Much more likely the CAA will ask Albany and SBU to join as full memebrs - and yes I think they accept.

The CAA has a better TV deal and a huge exit fee - it is much more likely they will attract members from the AE, not lose members to the AE.

In this history of the NAC/AE all new members have come from the NEC, the old ECC, Big South, D-II, or D-I Independents.
You said it wasnt going to happen not highly unlikely. I think a lot more than JMU and George Mason could leave the CAA.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:57 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Oh come.....go ahead......leave. St. Bonaventure, LaSalle and URI would love to have you as a new rival!
I didn't get that. I said SBU and Albany shouldn't leave.
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I agree, plus AE academics are all good enough to be respectable to administrators and faculty who don't want the school associated with bad academics in any way.
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I didn't get that. I said SBU and Albany shouldn't leave.
Some A-10 folks are mentioning Stony Brook as a possible replacement for Butler/Xavier/whoever else leaves the A-10. Could be as many as 4 gone if it's Butler/Xavier/Dayton with Saint Louis doing the less than presently thinkable and returning to the MVC.
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If NJIT joins, I'd like to see CCSU in as we'll. I don't think anyone else should join.
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Some A-10 folks are mentioning Stony Brook as a possible replacement for Butler/Xavier/whoever else leaves the A-10. Could be as many as 4 gone if it's Butler/Xavier/Dayton with Saint Louis doing the less than presently thinkable and returning to the MVC.
How many SBU fans just crapped themselves after reading this post?! Be honest!
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How many SBU fans just crapped themselves after reading this post?! Be honest!
That makes no sense. The lesson learned here is basketball only schools need to stick to their own conference. Why would a large FCS state school fit the A10 model? Someone is yanking your chain.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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That makes no sense. The lesson learned here is basketball only schools need to stick to their own conference. Why would a large FCS state school fit the A10 model? Someone is yanking your chain.
It would put them in the same conference as future football conference-mates URI ("a large FCS state school") and Richmond. The A-10 is a basketball-first conference that is an otherwise incoherent mix of large public, Catholic, and urban secular private schools, as well as a mix of FBS, FCS, FCS non-scholarship, and non-football schools. Oh, and the geography pushes every boundary of the northeast-quadrant of the country. There is no "A10 model".
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The A10 would be foolish to learn nothing from the Big East's errors. Beyond that all the schools you cite have a basketball tradition. 1 America East playoff birth is a far cry from Richmond or URI's history. Vermont would be a much better fit. Some basketball history and no football.
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The A10 would be foolish to learn nothing from the Big East's errors. Beyond that all the schools you cite have a basketball tradition. 1 America East playoff birth is a far cry from Richmond or URI's history. Vermont would be a much better fit. Some basketball history and no football.
What are you talking about?

You said the words "A10 model" and explained how a "large FCS state school" wouldn't fit. I laughed at you at my PC, then ruined you. You don't get to change the topic just because you didn't think about your post, hit submit anyways, and was shredded for it.

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What are you talking about?

You said the words "A10 model" and explained how a "large FCS state school" wouldn't fit. I laughed at you at my PC, then ruined you. You don't get to change the topic just because you didn't think about your post, hit submit anyways, and was shredded for it.

Fail. 1/10
Stony Brook is the greatest athletic program in history and should be in a conference with Michigan, Notre Dame, The Yankees, and Jesus Christ. The most awesomest, greatest team ever where common sense need not apply.
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Stony Brook is the greatest athletic program in history and should be in a conference with Michigan, Notre Dame, The Yankees, and Jesus Christ. The most awesomest, greatest team ever where common sense need not apply.
must be jealous that Albany is not mentioned in the same breath as them
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Stony Brook is the greatest athletic program in history and should be in a conference with Michigan, Notre Dame, The Yankees, and Jesus Christ. The most awesomest, greatest team ever where common sense need not apply.
1) This is sort of the typical Albany fallback when they run out of things to argue about. They pimp some sort of "SBU arrogance" and attempt to drown the conversation. Of course by doing so they're showing a selfishness and arrogance far beyond anything we do, but you know - in America the loudest voice wins. It's why I'm not posting here as much anymore. New SBU guy, you'll get used to it.

2) I heard last year there was some posturing from individuals on and off campus that SBU would fit in the A-10. Personally - outside of giving them a decently populated media market (I subscribe to the fact that at the moment we're not an NYC draw. Then again, Suffolk County doess have 3+ mill people) - I don't see where we line up with Fordham, Xavier, and the rest. Even the publics in there (VCU, Temple, U Mass) don't seem to create an identity for the conference as much as simply establish a marriage of necessity while waiting for something better. As has been shown in the last round of conference upgrades - there are "step-up" conferences. Without a doubt the A-10 is one of them.

That said, I don't see why SB in some manner shouldn't aspire to one day be like those publics. Temple, VCU, and U Mass have infinitely greater basketball pedigrees than SB, but their campus size and overall mission seems to be about the same. SB's endowment is growing rapidly, which indicates to me that the gap is closing. Also, we're learning that media market seems to matter more than athletic pedigree ::cough TULANE cough::. If all were equal, I find it hard to believe that a conference would have more interest in a school based in a small town two hours outside of Boston (Amherst, MA) than a school about an hour outside of NYC located in one of the most populous counties in the US. Hell, U Mass proved it has no Boston pull. Look at its FBS numbers at Gillette! They were lower than at McQuirk in Amherst!

All in all, it's not difficult to see through the fog. As far as anyone's statement that "SBU hasn't won anything", they aren't wrong but have merely missed the point. NO ONE CARES WHAT A SCHOOL'S WON. They just care who could potentially be watching.

Now, does SB have that yet? I'd be quick to say no, not yet. Our football numbers are increasing faster than the majority of FCS schools, and will almost certainly rocket with the CAA move (if you look, our OOC draw is far, far greater than when we played Big South foes, except Liberty). But in basketball we have no arena, and I doubt many conferences will invite us until they see what we draw in the new digs. That all said, would I be surprised if SB got an invite to the A-10 over Albany, Vermont, and (insert better pedigree program in lesser populated market here)? No.
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How many SBU fans just crapped themselves after reading this post?! Be honest!
wtf... why would i want SBU to go to the A-10 right now?

Not at all. Give me a place we can compete for now and get to the NCAA first. then we can talk about A-10... Also, consider the small gym we currently play on. no way

The America East is perfect for us
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