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Old 12-16-2012, 07:38 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Re: UVM @ Niagara 12/16

http://uvmathletics.com/news/2012/12...216122706.aspx (page also links to "highlights")
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“Niagara was the tougher, better team tonight. We again turned the ball over too many times and had a lot of bad fouls. We were careless in the game and we need to be better. We will get back to work this week at practice and continue to try to improve. It's tough to win on the road and hopefully we will learn from this loss,” said Vermont head coach John Becker.
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Maybe it's more that we need the experienced players on the team to step up. Some of them were nearly invisible today.
Well, yeah- that too.

O'Day and Kilpatrick are talented players and we need them to contribute IMO if this team wants to contend. Both players were also playing much better at beginning of the season. O'Day is in the starting lineup- he needs to play better.
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Re: UVM @ Niagara 12/16

Is it just me or is there a disparity between how ready Kilpatrick and O'Day are and how ready the coaching staff THINKS they are?
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Is it just me or is there a disparity between how ready Kilpatrick and O'Day are and how ready the coaching staff THINKS they are?
O'Day is going to play and get plenty of minutes because....we simply have no other options and depth at his position. Even though he's on the team, Crenca is another loss because he's not playing. I wasn't counting on significant production from him this season anyways, but I did think he was at least going to be able to play but it seems that's not going to be the case.

O'Day has shown some real good flashes....I think he'll play much better in conference.

Kipatrick seemed to have earned some additional minutes but has been turning the ball over and missing shots lately. Seems like he had proven himself only to take some steps back.

The issues not the freshman, I've only noticed they have been struggling lately. Issues seem to be with everyone.
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Re: UVM @ Niagara 12/16

Other then the turnovers, I am not to worried about this one. Even though it seems like we win every road game. let's not forget, it is tough to win on the road, especially against a good Niagara team, with a solid play at the guard positions. They hit a lot of shots they missed in the the first half and hit them in the second half, which they should on their own their own floor.
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O'Day is going to play and get plenty of minutes because....we simply have no other options and depth at his position. Even though he's on the team, Crenca is another loss because he's not playing. I wasn't counting on significant production from him this season anyways, but I did think he was at least going to be able to play but it seems that's not going to be the case.

O'Day has shown some real good flashes....I think he'll play much better in conference.

Kipatrick seemed to have earned some additional minutes but has been turning the ball over and missing shots lately. Seems like he had proven himself only to take some steps back.

The issues not the freshman, I've only noticed they have been struggling lately. Issues seem to be with everyone.
I agree that they've both shown flashes here and there, but Becker touted them as "ready-to-play."

Did anybody predict Voelkel would be leading the team in 3 point percent at .538? It'll be interesting to see if that affects scouting reports in conference play,
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So Antoine Mason is a junior- didn't realize that and forgot about him from last year. Anyways, he did play against us last year and scored 20pts but we beat Niagara 92-70. Of course, different team as a lot of the offense from that game was gone- but I do think it's interesting we beat Niagara playing their game last season but loss this season playing our game:

http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=320490261
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Buffalo News article on game:

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Re: UVM @ Niagara 12/16

I'm not discouraged by this loss.
It was a closer game than Hartford had.
It wasn't a 30 point blow-out.
It did point up some areas needing improvement.

O'Day and Kilpatrick are freshmen. They are going to have ups and downs.
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Re: UVM @ Niagara 12/16

Becker and Lonergan have never shown an interest in riding the hot hand. From what I've observed they have made a point to giving significant minutes to lots of players. In the loss to Townson Four's dad made the comment that Becker got lucky last year scoring by committee and not letting "certain" players try to take over the game (I wonder if that had anything to do with Four's departure). For the most part I really like the egalitarian approach but I must say these past four games it hasn't worked.

I know Becker is very committed to this grind it out style of basketball but the bottom line is it only works when you rebound, take care of the ball, and convert good looks. As UVMHC said, we've have really struggled to do that over this four game stretch and from a fans standpoint it's very difficult to watch.
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We now have 151 turnovers through 10 OOC games, averaging 15 per game. Last year we had 130 turnovers through 10 games- which was against better competition, for the most part. I do expect that TO average to go down once we get into conference play, like it did last year. Still, we need to take better care of the ball.

What's interesting is last year OOC we had some low turnover games but still lost those games. This season, our 4 highest TO games- UConn, URI, Towson, and Niagara have all been losses.


15 Siena
16 UConn
11 Northeastern
14 Yale
11 Harvard
17 URI
18 Towson
15 Quinnipiac
15 Dartmouth
19 Niagara

151...15 TOs



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8 South Florida
20 Dartmouth
12 Marist
15 Long Island
18 Old Dominion
10 Siena
10 Harvard
7 Yale
19 Saint Louis
11 Quinnipiac


130..13TOs
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Maybe Taggart will redshirt, no other reason for him to not get a few minutes.
I have to assume at this point, 10 games into the season and 0 appearances Taggart must be redshirting. Not that there have been many garbage time games as all are games have been close pretty much, but even Santo would get into some games at garbage time.

I feel like someone on the board should be able to find this out easily- just ask someone on the coaching staff or send an e-mail in to Villani and have it asked on the Cats Den or something.

Not that I'm too concerned, I imagine if the staff felt he was ready to contribute he'd be playing.
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Re: UVM @ Niagara 12/16

One of the things that's also interesting besides the turnover rate is how many less shots are coming from the SG position this season compared to last season.

Last year both Bald and McGlynn would combine to take somewhere approx. 20 shots (averaged 18), and for the most part Blue and Rusin are combining to take half that (averaging 11).
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One of the things that's also interesting besides the turnover rate is how many less shots are coming from the SG position this season compared to last season.

Last year both Bald and McGlynn would combine to take somewhere approx. 20 shots each (averaged 18), and for the most part Blue and Rusin are combining to take half that (averaging 11).
That is what i have been saying all year, but its not just the 2, it's the 1,2 and 3! Our guards are not shooting and the kicker is they all can shoot! They are running the flex almost to a fault.....being to patient and looking for that easy lay-up, even when they are down 15 with 20 to go!!!!!! At some point the staff has to say, "guys you are good shooters, if you are open pull the trigger!!!!!" I mean our inside game is not our strength, we have height but no size (without Crenca) and the flex requires 5 guys who can move and handle and pass so why we feel that we need to constantly look for our "bigs" is beyond me... as i have said and the color guy said (a former coach) the other night VERMONT DOES NOT PLAY THE TYPE OF GAME TO COME BACK FROM DOUBLE DIGIT DEFICITS! We wait to long!!!!!!! sorry for the rant, a little frustrated because I really feel they have a lot of talent! Lets turn it around Saturday.
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That is what i have been saying all year, but its not just the 2, it's the 1,2 and 3! Our guards are not shooting and the kicker is they all can shoot! They are running the flex almost to a fault.....being to patient and looking for that easy lay-up, even when they are down 15 with 20 to go!!!!!! At some point the staff has to say, "guys you are good shooters, if you are open pull the trigger!!!!!" I mean our inside game is not our strength, we have height but no size (without Crenca) and the flex requires 5 guys who can move and handle and pass so why we feel that we need to constantly look for our "bigs" is beyond me... as i have said and the color guy said (a former coach) the other night VERMONT DOES NOT PLAY THE TYPE OF GAME TO COME BACK FROM DOUBLE DIGIT DEFICITS! We wait to long!!!!!!! sorry for the rant, a little frustrated because I really feel they have a lot of talent! Lets turn it around Saturday.
Listening to Becker speak on Cats Den after the Dartmouth/Q-Pac games it became pretty clear that he wants the team to run the system, and the OOC is the time to do it. Acknowledged probably could have ran a bit more but he really wants the team to focus on the system so they will be tough to beat in January/February. I can't say I disagree with that approach because...it's sound and it makes sense and it works for them, although it may contribute to some early season losses.

That being said, it is a concern to see how little some of these guys actually shoot in some of these games. There should really be no reason Trey and Clancy ever take 3 and 4 shots in a game- unless both get injured or something. I also see very little rhythm shots, taking shots in rhythm, off the dribble or in transition.


It's not just concerning for wins and losses in 2012-13...I also worry about recruiting- we didn't get Anders Broman and maybe he never wanted to leave MN area and maybe he will not even be good once he gets to South Dakota State, but could you picture a SG like him being OK taking 4-5 shots a game? Does anyone think Dimitri Floras, Jeff Spellman, and JP Macura would be happy taking 4-5 shots a game? Ummmmm.....no.


Just some things to think about. And I'm not saying I think Blue and Rusin should be taking 15 shots each a game...but 4?
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