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ccd494 · 12-20-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Aceinthehole

I feel for you Black Bear fans.

BTW - this data came from BBState and they report that Maine spent $1,037,387 on men's basketball. Nothing is exact, but it gives you an accurate ballpark. Sorry.

http://www.bbstate.com/

That is just absolute criminal negligence.

ecasadoSBU · 12-20-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Aceinthehole

NJIT isn't happening, they don't offer enough AE sports and just look at the Athletics/MBB budgets below:

Bryant - $11.2 / $1.4
CCSU - $10.5 / $1.2
NJIT - $7.6 / $1.3

Actually, Sacred Heart is the biggest budget in the NEC at $20.1 / $1.2 (their tuition is about $32k)
That is actually bigger than QU, Monmouth, and even Stony Brook

20.1m...that is not bigger than SBUs budget. I believe USA Today had a significantly higher figure. Could it be that BBState is not including Football which is on a separate conference?

UAalum72 · 12-20-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Aceinthehole

Actually, Sacred Heart is the biggest budget in the NEC at $20.1 / $1.2 (their tuition is about $32k)
That is actually bigger than QU, Monmouth, and even Stony Brook

Another reason for the size of Sacred Heart's budget is that they sponsor 32 varsity sports, compared to the 14-20 of most Division I schools. That doesn't even count the numerous club sports they have.

Their admins made a conscious effort in the 1990s to increase enrollment and visibility thru athletics.

Aceinthehole · 12-20-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UAalum72

Another reason for the size of Sacred Heart's budget is that they sponsor 32 varsity sports, compared to the 14-20 of most Division I schools. That doesn't even count the numerous club sports they have.

Their admins made a conscious effort in the 1990s to increase enrollment and visibility thru athletics.

Yep, the size of their varsity athletic offerings are probably in the top-10 Nationally.

I think Harvard sponsor the most varsity sports - 41. Yale sponsors 35, Princeton 31.

The NCAA Divsion I minimum is 14 sports (7 for each gender).

ccd494 · 12-20-2012, 12:19 PM

Stanford is up there, no?

Aceinthehole · 12-20-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ccd494

Stanford is up there, no?

Probably, I couldn't find a list and just looked up a few Ivies on wiki.

RecoveringHillbilly · 12-20-2012, 02:58 PM

NJIT has to be one as UTPA has accepted a WAC invite for 2013. So NJIT is the only Great West full member left. Equity in Athletics has NJIT's AD budget at $8.2M, but you have to figure the resouces they had to spend for shipping teams to Utah, Texas, North Dakota, and Chicago, would be re-allocated for better useslike adding softball, with savings from EA bus trips. Academic rankings and research are very strong, and playing baseball in a pro park, with some of their BB games played at Prutential, are both assets. And it's a sausage-fest since it's a public tech school, so student excitement for athletics would be easier than a school of 60% females. Though, its environs fit some of the private NEC schools more than AE members.

iBOsbu · 12-20-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RecoveringHillbilly

NJIT has to be one as UTPA has accepted a WAC invite for 2013. So NJIT is the only Great West full member left. Equity in Athletics has NJIT's AD budget at $8.2M, but you have to figure the resouces they had to spend for shipping teams to Utah, Texas, North Dakota, and Chicago, would be re-allocated for better useslike adding softball, with savings from EA bus trips. Academic rankings and research are very strong, and playing baseball in a pro park, with some of their BB games played at Prutential, are both assets. And it's a sausage-fest since it's a public tech school, so student excitement for athletics would be easier than a school of 60% females. Though, its environs fit some of the private NEC schools more than AE members.

I guess I was not totally wrong on page 1. I thought I read somewhere about Prudential and NJIT.

I just hope that if AEC is planning to expand, then they act quick. Quinnipiac would have been a good addition, but MAAC didn't waste time.

UNHFan · 12-20-2012, 04:18 PM

Any idea when an annoucement could be made and will the AEast go to a 12 team league? Still that mystery fourth team out there.

ecasadoSBU · 12-20-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by iBOsbu

I guess I was not totally wrong on page 1. I thought I read somewhere about Prudential and NJIT.

I just hope that if AEC is planning to expand, then they act quick. Quinnipiac would have been a good addition, but MAAC didn't waste time.

NJIT plays club hockey at the Prudential according to wikipedia

narthuro · 12-20-2012, 11:52 PM

The club hockey bit is true. The basketball team has played games at Pru in the past (two or four games a year), and they have away games there against Seton Hall, but they don't play home games there anymore.

I guess it's possible that they might do it again, but attendance at NJIT's last game there was 330.

hoopcat · 12-21-2012, 07:47 AM

If NJIT's administration is committed to adding sports and upping the athletic budget a bit, I'd take them. No name recognition, but when UA, SBU, and BUNY joined AE, I remember thinking the league was desperate and was scraping the bottom of the barrel (no offense to the SUNY fans, I just did not know anything about the sports programs at the time and had barely heard of any of the schools). Obviously that thinking was wrong, as all the SUNY schools were committed to building their athletics program and are key to the conference at this point.

TerrierNation · 12-21-2012, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopcat

If NJIT's administration is committed to adding sports and upping the athletic budget a bit, I'd take them. No name recognition, but when UA, SBU, and BUNY joined AE, I remember thinking the league was desperate and was scraping the bottom of the barrel (no offense to the SUNY fans, I just did not know anything about the sports programs at the time and had barely heard of any of the schools). Obviously that thinking was wrong, as all the SUNY schools were committed to building their athletics program and are key to the conference at this point.

Very well said. It'd be nice if conferences could conditionally invite other schools in. Like, within 8 years you will spend this much on your AD and if you don't meet the threshold, it isn't a good fit for either party and we'll give you two years to move on. Of course the AE doesn't have that leverage, but it would be nice.

umainealum · 12-21-2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopcat

If NJIT's administration is committed to adding sports and upping the athletic budget a bit, I'd take them. No name recognition, but when UA, SBU, and BUNY joined AE, I remember thinking the league was desperate and was scraping the bottom of the barrel (no offense to the SUNY fans, I just did not know anything about the sports programs at the time and had barely heard of any of the schools). Obviously that thinking was wrong, as all the SUNY schools were committed to building their athletics program and are key to the conference at this point.

+1...I remember having similar thoughts and it was definitely nothing against those schools as it was just a matter of not knowing them. They were all transitioning up from D-II (I think) so it was an unfamiliarity. The AEast office certainly knew what was going on with the 3 SUNY's and made a great decision to go after them. Makes me wonder if a Bryant or an NJIT are going along that same route...

Anyway, I'm just hoping something breaks soon!

**UVM Hoop Cat** · 12-21-2012, 09:07 AM

+2 on what Hoopcat and umaine said. I thought the league was going to fall apart previously and vaguely knew about Albany and knew nothing about Binghamton and Stony Brook- and all three have certainly turned into being assets for the conference. That's why I think BU leaving has been more..."eh".

I agree with Dane 96, add two teams in Bryant and CCSU now for stability, but the league should give itself flexibility should more changes occur- Catholic 7 raiding A10, A10 raiding CAA/MAAC, on down to whatever might be in play for AE.

That being said, I would not say no to NJIT for the reasons mentioned but I don't feel like we have to add another NEC team to make 4- considering at this point there's very few I'd actually want after Q-Pac and CCSU.

12-20-2012, 12:19 PM	#35 (permalink)
ccd494 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,245 Rep Power: 216493	Re: Is AE expansion on the way? Stanford is up there, no?

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RecoveringHillbilly Rookie Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Tonawanda, NY Posts: 69 Rep Power: 4	Re: Is AE expansion on the way? NJIT has to be one as UTPA has accepted a WAC invite for 2013. So NJIT is the only Great West full member left. Equity in Athletics has NJIT's AD budget at $8.2M, but you have to figure the resouces they had to spend for shipping teams to Utah, Texas, North Dakota, and Chicago, would be re-allocated for better useslike adding softball, with savings from EA bus trips. Academic rankings and research are very strong, and playing baseball in a pro park, with some of their BB games played at Prutential, are both assets. And it's a sausage-fest since it's a public tech school, so student excitement for athletics would be easier than a school of 60% females. Though, its environs fit some of the private NEC schools more than AE members.

12-20-2012, 04:18 PM	#39 (permalink)
UNHFan Veteran Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,212 Rep Power: 20480	Re: Is AE expansion on the way? Any idea when an annoucement could be made and will the AEast go to a 12 team league? Still that mystery fourth team out there.

12-20-2012, 11:52 PM	#41 (permalink)
narthuro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Re: Is AE expansion on the way? The club hockey bit is true. The basketball team has played games at Pru in the past (two or four games a year), and they have away games there against Seton Hall, but they don't play home games there anymore. I guess it's possible that they might do it again, but attendance at NJIT's last game there was 330.

12-21-2012, 07:47 AM	#42 (permalink)
hoopcat Star Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,567 Rep Power: 4293	Re: Is AE expansion on the way? If NJIT's administration is committed to adding sports and upping the athletic budget a bit, I'd take them. No name recognition, but when UA, SBU, and BUNY joined AE, I remember thinking the league was desperate and was scraping the bottom of the barrel (no offense to the SUNY fans, I just did not know anything about the sports programs at the time and had barely heard of any of the schools). Obviously that thinking was wrong, as all the SUNY schools were committed to building their athletics program and are key to the conference at this point.

12-21-2012, 09:07 AM	#45 (permalink)
UVM Hoop Cat -PREMIUM MEMBER- Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 17,421 Rep Power: 62496	Re: Is AE expansion on the way? +2 on what Hoopcat and umaine said. I thought the league was going to fall apart previously and vaguely knew about Albany and knew nothing about Binghamton and Stony Brook- and all three have certainly turned into being assets for the conference. That's why I think BU leaving has been more..."eh". I agree with Dane 96, add two teams in Bryant and CCSU now for stability, but the league should give itself flexibility should more changes occur- Catholic 7 raiding A10, A10 raiding CAA/MAAC, on down to whatever might be in play for AE. That being said, I would not say no to NJIT for the reasons mentioned but I don't feel like we have to add another NEC team to make 4- considering at this point there's very few I'd actually want after Q-Pac and CCSU. __________________ "Let's win this game for all the small schools that never had a chance to get here" - Hoosiers, & UVM mens basketball NCAA's 2005

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