Is AE expansion on the way? - Page 5 - Basketball Forum : Professional and College Basketball Forums
BasketballForum.com is the premier basketball Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
User Tag List

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-08-2013, 08:25 AM   #61 (permalink)
-PREMIUM MEMBER-
Photobucket
 
UVM Hoop Cat's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boston
Posts: 22,075
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1315 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Am I the only one that feels we missed adding Quinnipiac?

-A competitive mens basketball team
-A facility that could host an AE Tournament
-Located well geographically for every school in the conference
-Not that it matters for AE, but don't they have a good hockey team now as well? Makes it looks like other AE schools.

I know the academics aren't great, but I really don't see how the AE could ever attract its "perfect school", because that simply doesn't exist given the priorities of the athletic departments in the conference are all over the place.

I feel like we waited too long and missed adding Q. Which is why I think if we want to add Bryant- do it now.
__________________
"Let's win this game for all the small schools that never had a chance to get here"
- Hoosiers,
& UVM mens basketball NCAA's 2005

Last edited by UVM Hoop Cat; 01-08-2013 at 08:32 AM.
UVM Hoop Cat is online now   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 01-08-2013, 08:29 AM   #62 (permalink)
-PREMIUM MEMBER-
Photobucket
 
UVM Hoop Cat's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boston
Posts: 22,075
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1315 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TerrierNation View Post
Seems pretty clear GMU should go to the reconstituted A10 to be play hoops against Richmond and VCU. Assuming the A10 loses Dayton, X, St. Louis and Butler, their mid-western experiment is done, making it a mid-Atlantic league with very good basketball. George Mason, Fairfield, Drexel, NU would seem to be candidates for expansion. I don't see how GMU would be a position to turn that offer down.
Yep- I don't think there's any way this doesn't happen after Catholic 7 takes some schools from A10.
__________________
"Let's win this game for all the small schools that never had a chance to get here"
- Hoosiers,
& UVM mens basketball NCAA's 2005
UVM Hoop Cat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 08:31 AM   #63 (permalink)
Star
 
umainealum's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,604
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 473 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Quote:
Originally Posted by UVM Hoop Cat View Post
Am I the only one that feels we missed adding Quinnipiac?

-A competitive mens basketball team
-A facility that could host an AE Tournament
-Located well geographically for every school in the conference
-Not that it matters for AE, but don't they have a good hockey now team as well? Makes it looks like other AE schools.

I know the academics aren't great, but I really don't see how the AE could ever attract its "perfect school".

I feel like we waited too long and missed adding Q. Which is why I think if we want to add Bryant- do it now.
No, I wished we had pulled the trigger as well...I know people are all on the "wait" bandwagon, but I'm thinking we have waited long enough. I know there are still other dominoes to fall, but there is no guarantee that when they do that this league will be able to land the schools they want.

By adding Bryant now, we become that much more stable and then can ride it out a little longer.
__________________
UMaine - the epitome of mediocrity

April 14, 2014 - today is a new beginning for the University of Maine Men's Basketball program!!
umainealum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 08:34 AM   #64 (permalink)
Star
 
umainealum's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,604
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 473 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Question...would Stony Brook block Hofstra if they decided they wanted to return the AEast?
__________________
UMaine - the epitome of mediocrity

April 14, 2014 - today is a new beginning for the University of Maine Men's Basketball program!!
umainealum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 08:34 AM   #65 (permalink)
Veteran
 
Aceinthehole's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,638
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ccd494 View Post
I think the waiting game is the right move. We can argue semantics about Monmouth and Quinnipiac versus Central Connecticut and Bryant versus NJIT and UMass-Lowell all we want, but honestly none move the needle in a huge way. Some combination of similar schools will be there in the summer.
I don't disagree that some combination of NEC/Independents/D-II schools will always be there for the taking, but isn't something telling if it was true that the AE really wanted QU and they bolted for the MAAC instead?

Waiting is a fine strategy. It assures you that the conference doesn't jump and make a move too soon and only adds when they have to. However, I still don't see why any of the former AE school in the CAA returns with that massive exit fee and a NBC Sports contract. The AE can't offer those schools anything but geography. Does anyone really think that is enough?

Conference Realignment is a ladder and it has a hierarchy. The Big East is still above C-USA and the MAC, but we know it is below the ACC, Big12, etc. The CAA has already taken 5 AE teams in the past, what dynamic would anyone think change that trend?
Aceinthehole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 08:35 AM   #66 (permalink)
-PREMIUM MEMBER-
Photobucket
 
UVM Hoop Cat's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boston
Posts: 22,075
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1315 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Quote:
Originally Posted by umainealum View Post
No, I wished we had pulled the trigger as well...I know people are all on the "wait" bandwagon, but I'm thinking we have waited long enough. I know there are still other dominoes to fall, but there is no guarantee that when they do that this league will be able to land the schools they want.

By adding Bryant now, we become that much more stable and then can ride it out a little longer.
Agreed. Not sure the strength of our situation changes by waiting. In fact, I think it decreases the clearer things become.
__________________
"Let's win this game for all the small schools that never had a chance to get here"
- Hoosiers,
& UVM mens basketball NCAA's 2005
UVM Hoop Cat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 08:41 AM   #67 (permalink)
-PREMIUM MEMBER-
Photobucket
 
UVM Hoop Cat's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boston
Posts: 22,075
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1315 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aceinthehole View Post
NBC Sports contract.
Does anyone know if this still exists/if the parameters have changed or not?

I'd be real curious if NBC didn't try and get right out of that deal.
__________________
"Let's win this game for all the small schools that never had a chance to get here"
- Hoosiers,
& UVM mens basketball NCAA's 2005
UVM Hoop Cat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 08:43 AM   #68 (permalink)
Star
 
ecasadoSBU's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Stony Brook, NY
Posts: 2,979
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 140 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mainejeff View Post
The smart thing to do right now is for AE to wait.........Q going to the MAAC was VERY telling IMO..........and I think that signals some pretty positive possibilities for the league. Now that Boston U. is leaving, we'll see some other schools (administrators) in charge of the league's direction. Stony Brook and Albany have all of the power right now and I cam comfortable with them in charge. One thing that people lose sight of is the fact that every school in the league (excluding Hartford) is a Northeast mid-size public........that along with solid academics makes this a pretty attractive league despite athletic shortcomings by many of our members. With the way things are going across the collegiate landscape, I think that AE is pretty well positioned. The future of AE expansion lies with 2 schools.........George Mason and James Madison.......what they ultimately decide to do will determine the fate of the CAA.
+1
__________________
Everything a Stony Brook Fan Needs:

SBU FANS Message Board - http://sbufan.createaforum.com/index.php

I'MASEAWOLF News/Fan board/Blog: http://www.imaseawolf.com/

WUSB.FM - SBU Athletics Radio Streaming & Sports Blog: http://sbradiosports.blogspot.com/

Official Stony Brook Athletics Site: http://www.goseawolves.org/
ecasadoSBU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 09:03 AM   #69 (permalink)
Star
 
umainealum's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,604
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 473 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Quote:
Originally Posted by UVM Hoop Cat View Post
Does anyone know if this still exists/if the parameters have changed or not?

I'd be real curious if NBC didn't try and get right out of that deal.
I don't know, but I found this tidbit in an article from when Davidson declined & CofC accepted offers to the CAA:

"Davidsonís menís basketball team is currently the cream of the crop in the Southern Conference. This would not be the case in the CAA. Although the CAA has recently received multiple tournament bids, it is usually a one bid conference like the Southern. In moving to the CAA, Davidson would be moving to a tougher one bid conference, thereby harming its chances of making the NCAA tournament on a regular basis as it recently has done as a member of the Southern Conference.

Second, I doubt Davidson would realize much, if any, financial benefit from moving to the CAA. Although the CAA did recently sign a television deal with NBC Sports Network that will increase the conferenceís national exposure ( NBCSN will carry 18 CAA menís basketball games nationally this season), the CAA members receive no money from the deal. NBCSN pays for the membersí production costs. Thatís it. And there is no guarantee that any of Davidsonís games would actually be selected for a national broadcast. NBCSN did not select one of my alma materís games for a national broadcast this year.

It is true that the CAA has recently received much larger payouts from the NCAAís Basketball Distribution Fund than the Southern ($3,355,296 versus $2,156,976 for the 2010-2011 season). However, most of the CAAís larger payout has been a result of VCUís recent NCAA tournament successes. With VCU now gone to the Atlantic 10 and Old Dominion leaving the CAA next year for Conference USA, the CAA is losing two of its basketball programs most likely to experience deep tournament runs. As a result, the Basketball Fund payouts for the CAA and the Southern will likely be much closer in the future."


I didn't realize that schools didn't actually receive any money for the deal...
__________________
UMaine - the epitome of mediocrity

April 14, 2014 - today is a new beginning for the University of Maine Men's Basketball program!!
umainealum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 09:15 AM   #70 (permalink)
-PREMIUM MEMBER-
Photobucket
 
UVM Hoop Cat's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boston
Posts: 22,075
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1315 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Quote:
Originally Posted by umainealum View Post

I didn't realize that schools didn't actually receive any money for the deal...
Yeah, I was real curious about that deal- and that makes sense- how much money is there to be made from a James Madison/UNC-Wilmington basketball game or insert practically all remaining CAA teams? A range from None- Very Little.

The exposure is nice for sure and having production costs paid, but w/out $$$$ what's the real difference between this and having a bunch of games on ESPN3 or something- very little, if any difference at all.
__________________
"Let's win this game for all the small schools that never had a chance to get here"
- Hoosiers,
& UVM mens basketball NCAA's 2005
UVM Hoop Cat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 09:24 AM   #71 (permalink)
Veteran
 
Aceinthehole's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,638
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

In any case the NBC Sports deal is still much better than the TV deals in America East or the NEC. It seems to be there are 3 different types of TV deals:

1) Pay to Play (Infomericals)
This is the NEC, MAAC, and AE model. They league ponys up $$ from its NCAA revenue to pay for production and broadcast of league games. Each team in the league is slotted a few games, and they are carrierd by regional sports networks for a fee (NESN, SNY, MSG, etc)

2) Free Content
The CAA-NBCS deals seems to offer both sides something of benefit. The CAA gives its media rights to a National Sports Network for free - the content has a small value to the broadcaster. NBC Sports gets free content and then pays for the costs of production, etc. which is offset by any commerical space they can sell. NBCS needs the sports content to be assured it is carried by cable companies nationwide.

3) Auction Rights
The Major conferences (ACC, PAC-12, etc) have content that is so valuable they are able to sell the rights to major cable and TV carriers. This is causing the major realignments at the top which allow schools to obtain more revenue.

I assume the current A-10 TV cotract is somehere better than FREE CONTENT, but probaly worth very little cash dividends to the conference members.

Anyway, I just don't see why any CAA or A-10 team would be willing to give up FREE national exposure (even if it is limited), in order to PAY FOR the same limited, but regional exposure.
Aceinthehole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 09:26 AM   #72 (permalink)
Star
 
umainealum's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,604
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 473 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Quote:
Originally Posted by UVM Hoop Cat View Post
Yeah, I was real curious about that deal- and that makes sense- how much money is there to be made from a James Madison/UNC-Wilmington basketball game or insert practically all remaining CAA teams? A range from None- Very Little.

The exposure is nice for sure and having production costs paid, but w/out $$$$ what's the real difference between this and having a bunch of games on ESPN3 or something- very little, if any difference at all.
Yeah, not sure that deal is really all that we were led to believe. Shoot, I have DirecTV and I couldn't tell you where NBC Sports Network is...I know where the ESPN stations are as well as the Big Ten Network. As a start-up channel, I'm sure they just need things to put on the air and with the recent successes of Mason & VCU, it made sense to get them plus the CAA Football, which tanked this year for the most part. It all sounded good but there really doesn't appear to be much substance although it is free exposure to those teams selected for games. The author of the article is an attorney and graduate of William & Mary, thus his alma mater saw 0 benefits from the contract...
__________________
UMaine - the epitome of mediocrity

April 14, 2014 - today is a new beginning for the University of Maine Men's Basketball program!!
umainealum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 09:40 AM   #73 (permalink)
Star
 
umainealum's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,604
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 473 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Reportedly, the Atlantic-10 deal with ESPN/CBS/NBC will pay the conference $40 million over 8 years ($5 mil/year) which will be split among the 14 schools. That would equate to just over $350K/year per school. Here is the television breakdown:

ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU (15 MBB/3 WBB): The Worldwide Leader will carry 14 regular season men’s basketball games, plus the league championship game. The last three years, ESPN has held the rights to the A-10 Men’s Basketball Championship Game, but chose to sublicense it CBS. It is unclear if ESPN will continue in this manner or if it will broadcast the game.

CBS Sports Network (27 MBB/10 WBB): CBS Sports Network will air 25 regular season men’s and eight women’s games, plus the A-10 Tournament Semifinals. Former Virginia Coach Pete Gillen, working for the network during a tournament in Cancun in 2007, once said he wanted to put Joey Rodriguez on a bagel, or something like that. I have no idea what it means, but I hope there’s more of that in our future.

NBC Sports Network (25*/6*WBB): The artist formerly known as Versus will broadcast 25 men’s and six women’s games on national TV. NBC will also air the A-10 Tournament Quarterfinals on regional networks, such as Comcast, which merged with NBC last year. NBC has the option of airing the quarterfinal games nationally on NBC Sports Network.

So there you have it...

Edit: Wonder if there is a provision in the contract regarding members...because if the "Catholic 7" do indeed raid the A-10 of their top programs (Xavier, Dayton, Butler, etc), can't imagine ESPN is going to be too excited about the leftovers, regardless of who the A-10 can poach from other leagues.
__________________
UMaine - the epitome of mediocrity

April 14, 2014 - today is a new beginning for the University of Maine Men's Basketball program!!

Last edited by umainealum; 01-08-2013 at 09:46 AM.
umainealum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 09:53 AM   #74 (permalink)
Veteran
 
Aceinthehole's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,638
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Quote:
Originally Posted by umainealum View Post
Reportedly, the Atlantic-10 deal with ESPN/CBS/NBC will pay the conference $40 million over 8 years ($5 mil/year) which will be split among the 14 schools. That would equate to just over $350K/year per school.
Thanks. So the A-10 was able to SELL their TV rights and make jthat much per school. Not bad, not great. Just as I thought - that probably puts them at the lowest end of any conference that is SELLING its TV rights.

I would be interested to know where the MVC and WCC stand in reagrds to TV revenue deals. I can't imagine they can actually sell those rights for much.
Aceinthehole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 10:31 AM   #75 (permalink)
Star
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,942
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 337 Post(s)
Re: Is AE expansion on the way?

Quote:
Originally Posted by UVM Hoop Cat View Post
Agreed. Not sure the strength of our situation changes by waiting. In fact, I think it decreases the clearer things become.
Yep.

Look at the Conference's history: When it lost the CAA 4, it acted immediately and added the SUNY 3, which greatly stabilized the conference. When it lost Northeastern (a huge blow) the league TWICE rejected Q-Pac because they thought they were going to hit a home run and either add URI or that some of the original CAA 4 defectors would return. No one came back, and overtime the conference grew a lot weaker and wound up losing BU... would have been MUCH stronger and more stable had they gone with QPac.

I say if Bryant wants to join, for example, get them NOW. No guarantee they will still be around if other higher priority adds fall through (just see what happened with QPac).
farfromtheshow is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:58 AM.



User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © 2002 ó 2013 BasketballBoards.net.

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1