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**UVM Hoop Cat** · 01-09-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Catcountry21

That's the thing, this should have happened about 3 weeks ago IMO.

Rusin has been outplayed by Blue all year. Last year Becker clearly didn't have an interest in riding the hot hand, this year has been no different thus far. With that said we still made the tourney last year, so the coaching staff clearly knows what they are doing.

I just wish Becker would reward strong play more often then he has the past 2 seasons.

It's a very structured system. There's going to be plusses and there will be minuses that will make it at some times questionable/frustrating but all I've seen under Becker & Co is Vermont is really good at is sticking to their process and getting it to work. Deviating from that makes it break down.

I wouldn't necessarily say Blue has outplayed Rusin all year- he's been a more efficient and consistent scorer but he's second on the team in TOs and is only shooting 60% from the FT line. The turnover statistic may be why he doesn't start.

**UVM Hoop Cat** · 01-09-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Alumni96

If you guys think the problem last night was Rusin's bad shooting than you need to watch the games closer. That was as much a team loss as any game I've watched. The team failed to execute the game plan and allowed the other team to implement their will. Vermont took the easy route on offense gunning three's when their advantage was clearly inside. BU was the better team last night. Plain and Simple.

All this. And I've already said this.

15-55 FG, 5-25 from 3. 14 Turnovers. Voelkel throwing the ball all over the court. Missed shots from 2ft away by Voelkel, Apfeld, Rugg, and Crenca. Defensive lapses losing Dom Morris.

It had a little bit of everything.

uvm4life20 · 01-09-2013, 04:04 PM

Blue vs Rusin

Blue has 121 pts on 106 shooting possessions. That is good efficient offense.
Rusin has 119 pts on 124 shooting possessions. That is close to a point per shooting possession.
Advantage Blue

Blue has 27 turnovers and 14 ast.
Rusin has 23 turnovers and 7 ast.
I would give a slight advantage to Blue on this one. His ast/to is a good amount higher.

Blue has 2.5 rpg to 1.5 for Rusin. Blue has 11 stls to rusin's 6.
It seems like Blue is winning the important stats.

So why isnt Blue starting????

uvm4life20 · 01-09-2013, 04:14 PM

Blue isnt starting because

A) Blue gels better with the second team offense. He creates his shot better so they may need him to shoulder the load for the second team offense. Ruin is a jump shooter that may fit better with better offensive players. Blue though is a better 3pt shooter though.

B) Rusin plays better defense. Neither player is a standout but Rusin being a better defender could be a reason.

C) Blue is a rental player. He came in for 1 year and the coach may not want to start him over somebody who will be a 3 year player with UVM.

I'm not sure why Blue isn't starting. I think the A and B are the most likely scenarios. It doesnt matter who starts though. Whoever is having a better start to a game should play more. Whoever is having a better season should play more. Blue is having a better season for sure. Blue had a way better start to the BU game. Blue should of stayed in the game til he missed. Why take out a player who hits back to back 3's? Why doesn't he get another look? These are questions that should be asked and answered by the coaching staff. This is the problem with the team right now.

**UVM Hoop Cat** · 01-09-2013, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by UVM Hoop Cat

It's a very structured system. There's going to be plusses and there will be minuses that will make it at some times questionable/frustrating but all I've seen under Becker & Co is Vermont is really good at is sticking to their process and getting it to work. Deviating from that makes it break down.

I wouldn't necessarily say Blue has outplayed Rusin all year- he's been a more efficient and consistent scorer but he's second on the team in TOs and is only shooting 60% from the FT line. The turnover statistic may be why he doesn't start.

Just to follow-up on this because I realize it sounds like I'm trying to be a philosopher, but as fans we've all asked :

Why did Bald start and Four not start?
Why does Rusin start and not Blue?
Why does Josh Elbaum play?
Why do we don't we get out and run more?
Why do we pass the ball back and forth around the perimeter and nobody takes a shot?
Why do we have scheduled substitutions- why do we take players out when they're playing well?

It's easy to get caught up in this individual things and at the time, usually immediately following a poor play, or a loss ask "why are we doing X"?

Everything is part of the system, it's by design, we want to run a structured offense- take makeable shots as best as we can and use a deep bench.

Doing these things in a disciplined and effective manner has resulted in having a team that has won A LOT of basketball games- especially going back to Lonergan, because a lot of the same stuff we do now we did under Lonergan as well. We've gotten to the point as fans where we expect the team to win pretty much every time it takes the floor- especially in conference play.

It's kinda ridiculous and also somewhat amazing, if you step back and look at it like that.

UVMFan2007 · 01-09-2013, 07:10 PM

Kilpatrick had a cast on during the 2nd half. Right after it happened he was definitely trying to shake off something with his hand/wrist.

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**UVM Hoop Cat** · 01-10-2013, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by UVMFan2007

Kilpatrick had a cast on during the 2nd half. Right after it happened he was definitely trying to shake off something with his hand/wrist.

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Thanks- I knew he was shaken up and didn't come back in again but I was sitting on the BU side and couldn't see over there.

Hopefully he's good. I'd like to see him get some quality minutes in a couple of the games we have coming up.

**Seth** · 01-10-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by UVM Hoop Cat

Just to follow-up on this because I realize it sounds like I'm trying to be a philosopher, but as fans we've all asked :

Why did Bald start and Four not start?
Why does Rusin start and not Blue?
Why does Josh Elbaum play?
Why do we don't we get out and run more?
Why do we pass the ball back and forth around the perimeter and nobody takes a shot?
Why do we have scheduled substitutions- why do we take players out when they're playing well?

It's easy to get caught up in this individual things and at the time, usually immediately following a poor play, or a loss ask "why are we doing X"?

Everything is part of the system, it's by design, we want to run a structured offense- take makeable shots as best as we can and use a deep bench.

Doing these things in a disciplined and effective manner has resulted in having a team that has won A LOT of basketball games- especially going back to Lonergan, because a lot of the same stuff we do now we did under Lonergan as well. We've gotten to the point as fans where we expect the team to win pretty much every time it takes the floor- especially in conference play.

It's kinda ridiculous and also somewhat amazing, if you step back and look at it like that.

This is a fantastic post. Seriously, I think this really presents a concise picture of the recent days of the UVM Men's Basketball experience.

**UVM Hoop Cat** · 01-10-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Seth

This is a fantastic post. Seriously, I think this really presents a concise picture of the recent days of the UVM Men's Basketball experience.

Thanks Seth! It's how I've taken UVM losses in stride these days. Have to admit, it's taken years to get here though and I do tend to lapse

01-09-2013, 04:04 PM	#18 (permalink)
uvm4life20 Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,659 Rep Power: 18340	Re: Per Request: Trey Blue Should Start Blue vs Rusin Blue has 121 pts on 106 shooting possessions. That is good efficient offense. Rusin has 119 pts on 124 shooting possessions. That is close to a point per shooting possession. Advantage Blue Blue has 27 turnovers and 14 ast. Rusin has 23 turnovers and 7 ast. I would give a slight advantage to Blue on this one. His ast/to is a good amount higher. Blue has 2.5 rpg to 1.5 for Rusin. Blue has 11 stls to rusin's 6. It seems like Blue is winning the important stats. So why isnt Blue starting????

01-09-2013, 04:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
uvm4life20 Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,659 Rep Power: 18340	Re: Per Request: Trey Blue Should Start Blue isnt starting because A) Blue gels better with the second team offense. He creates his shot better so they may need him to shoulder the load for the second team offense. Ruin is a jump shooter that may fit better with better offensive players. Blue though is a better 3pt shooter though. B) Rusin plays better defense. Neither player is a standout but Rusin being a better defender could be a reason. C) Blue is a rental player. He came in for 1 year and the coach may not want to start him over somebody who will be a 3 year player with UVM. I'm not sure why Blue isn't starting. I think the A and B are the most likely scenarios. It doesnt matter who starts though. Whoever is having a better start to a game should play more. Whoever is having a better season should play more. Blue is having a better season for sure. Blue had a way better start to the BU game. Blue should of stayed in the game til he missed. Why take out a player who hits back to back 3's? Why doesn't he get another look? These are questions that should be asked and answered by the coaching staff. This is the problem with the team right now.

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01-09-2013, 07:10 PM	#21 (permalink)
UVMFan2007 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0	Kilpatrick had a cast on during the 2nd half. Right after it happened he was definitely trying to shake off something with his hand/wrist. Sent from my iPhone using Verticalsports.com Free App

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