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Old 01-12-2013, 08:51 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Re: Possible Replacements for Herrion if UNH were to make a change
Resume only speaks on experience and not ability atleast with coaches who havent gotten a chance. Ability wins basketball games not experience though experience can help. I want a coach who understands a winning formula for basketball over a coach who has a huge resume but not much success any day. I dont understand a nire of a career loser. How many chances do some of these coaches get?
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That is certainly the trend given the recent success of younger coaches, however to assume that young coaches today are better is incorrect, they're just being given more chances. I'd argue that Coach K, Bob Knight, Jim Boeheim etc. were pretty good, young coaches in their day
That sample happens to be 3 of the winningest coaches in college basketball history, so that's obviously way at the other end of the curve.

Younger coaches aren't just being "given chances" by ADs as you might suggest- as I mentioned previously, younger coaches are getting better and that's why they are getting these opportunities. Better access to opportunities at earlier ages, better use and application of statistical data, better at relating to recruits.

Brad Stevens and Shaka Smart are obviously two of the more known coaches (Look what both have done at mid-majors as well- making their accomplishments even more impressive) but just look at recent D1 hires just on the east coast recently- Rhode Island (Danny Hurley), Florida International (Rick Pitino Jr), UNC-Greensboro (Wes Miller), Wagner (Bashir Mason), Brown (Mike Martin), Colgate (Matt Langel), Robert Morris (Andy Toole)...and these are all coaches in their early to mid 30s- I think many people still consider late 30s (Dempsey at Bing) and even early 40s to be young head coaches.
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Re: Possible Replacements for Herrion if UNH were to make a change
I'd contend there are some guys getting looks at the mid-major/low-major level in the wake of the success of Stevens, and Smart, because I think there's a copycat mentality among athletic administrators. Everyone thinks they can find the next Brad Stevens. Some will be more fortunate than others.

Broad-sweeping rhetorical questions of the day: Are young college coaches getting better at coaching...or just better at recruiting? Where is does the distinction lie, and how important is that distinction?
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Re: Possible Replacements for Herrion if UNH were to make a change
You look at Stevens and Smart and they are not crawling with NBA players. They really get a lot from their guys. I think they are great at coaching but they do recruit well at the mid major level. Stevens had Mack and Hayward but I'm not sure those players go pro at other schools. Hayward def doesnt leave school early and gets drafted as high as he did.
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Re: Possible Replacements for Herrion if UNH were to make a change
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I'd contend there are some guys getting looks at the mid-major/low-major level in the wake of the success of Stevens, and Smart, because I think there's a copycat mentality among athletic administrators. Everyone thinks they can find the next Brad Stevens. Some will be more fortunate than others.

Broad-sweeping rhetorical questions of the day: Are young college coaches getting better at coaching...or just better at recruiting? Where is does the distinction lie, and how important is that distinction?
Your copy cat mentality is spot on. We're seeing young, successful coaches show that you don't need to be a mid 40's, career assistant to succeed.

Are young coaches getting "better"? No, I don't think so. I think we're seeing coaches hired at a younger age, and some are bound to be successful.

Are young coaches better recruiters? I'd wager that there is a more discernible generational difference between 18-22 year olds and coaches in their 50's and 60's today than in the 80's and 90's that young and enthusiastic coaches like Stevens and Smart capitalize on.
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I'd contend there are some guys getting looks at the mid-major/low-major level in the wake of the success of Stevens, and Smart, because I think there's a copycat mentality among athletic administrators. Everyone thinks they can find the next Brad Stevens. Some will be more fortunate than others.

Broad-sweeping rhetorical questions of the day: Are young college coaches getting better at coaching...or just better at recruiting? Where is does the distinction lie, and how important is that distinction?
I like at it simply as a function of- with so few jobs and with so many younger coaches getting them, they are the ones getting the jobs, thereby by default are the better coaches. You can't compare someone who has the job and is doing it to someone like a Dennis Wolff or Al Skinner because....they aren't the ones AD's are entrusted sports programs to these days.

The only way to tell how good some of these coaches ultimately become will be their W/L over time- but it's pretty clear the people making the decisions- ie not us on this message board- think they are better than an Al Walker or Dennis Wolff. Small sample, but just look at the decision Siena made and what is happening there.

Obviously I'm not saying all coaches in college basketball need to be young, the best coaches in the game are all still the old guard- but just looking at the ages of the recent hires for the opening it's pretty clear the decision makers are going younger.
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Re: Possible Replacements for Herrion if UNH were to make a change
Or maybe just that younger coaches probably get (or will take) less money than more experienced hires.
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Forgot Coach Gallagher at Hartford too. Duh. He's only 35.
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Re: Possible Replacements for Herrion if UNH were to make a change
FWIW I think the "copy cat" theory on looking for the next Brad Stevens/Shaka Smart is a pretty simplistic generalization. I would be surprised if that's what drove the hiring process and not their abilities (or prospective abilities) as coaches.

Either way, getting back on track when UVM needs its next coach I would certainly prefer that next coach to have a profile like TJ Sorrentine rather than Bill Herrion.
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FWIW I think the "copy cat" theory on looking for the next Brad Stevens/Shaka Smart is a pretty simplistic generalization. I would be surprised if that's what drove the hiring process and not their abilities (or prospective abilities) as coaches.

Either way, getting back on track when UVM needs its next coach I would certainly prefer that next coach to have a profile like TJ Sorrentine rather than Bill Herrion.
I think it's more of being open to the idea of hiring a young coach while 20 years ago a lot of school wouldnt even think about it. Schools are realizing now that they can hire a young coach and have success.

I think a lot of older coaches get stuck in their ways. There are a large portion of coaches who are very stubborn in their way and not willing to listen to other ways to succeed. I also think older coaches are not as adept to using all the statistical analysis available nowadays.
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I think this shows how naive and stereotypical you are.
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I think this shows how naive and stereotypical you are.
Just from experience and word of mouth. Which part do you disagree with? I'm positive on a lot coaches not willing to change their ways though it's not every coach or anything nor is it just old coaches. Coaches tend to get big ego's and it's not just the top level coaches either. There is a lot of coaches that think their way is the right way even though it's not. If coaches were so open to things why doesn't every coach try to run what duke runs or other great coaches. Everybody has an opinion and very rarely are they the same.
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I think this shows how naive and stereotypical you are.
I think he's a lot more correct than you're crediting for, IMO.
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Posted today on the AE website --

America East Notes... in 140 Characters or Less - #AEHOOPS
UNH’s Bill Herrion is one win shy of becoming the league’s all-time leader in America East wins ...

Contract extension anyone?
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