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Retiring the number of an all time great

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#1 ·
Maybe this isn't the best way to go about asking the question. But I'll propose it here anyways. I'm new to the AE and don't have the greatest knowledge of past players.

But it seems as if every very school in the conference has had their share of great players. My question is how many schools have had a run of 5 or more consecutive losing seasons, and then recruit a player who led them to 3 regular season championships* during his tenure there? This guy has newly acquired records to long to list, awards piled up, and and the team working towards the NCAA tourney this year.

You guys have more insight on the topic then I do. It's just that all my friends from the band and I are wondering...has TB done enough to get his number retired and hung from the rafters?

SBpatriot and OBW, I'm wondering what you and everyone else thinks the chances are? A few have us have even considered starting an online petition we could send to Fiore after we get a couple thousand votes.
 
#9 ·
Winning the AE once wouldnt make you the class of the AE let alone a regular season game. I did not say "no SBU player should have their number retired because none have reached the NCAA tourney." I said that IF that was a requirement NO seawolf would have their number retired. See the difference? It's called reading comprehension. I brought it up because someone mentioned that it was the 1 thing holding Tommy back from having his number retired.

SB basketball is currently in it's 52nd year not 13th. I'm sorry if you dont understand comparing UVM's D1 history to SB's D3. That's the only way you can compare the two's history. UVM's path to success is a lot different than SB. We went from a school that had no interest in basketball to finally getting over the hump and becoming successful. I like that UVM is a very old college. Back when UVM started playing basketball it was an entirely different world compared to today. SB had to come up from being a D3 basketball team. I would never trade UVM's presuccess history for SB's nor would I ever want UVM to be a D3 school.
 
#16 ·
I have two comments to make. First, the tired old Voelkel versus Brenton pissing match has started again. We all know where everyone stands. It seems both players are clearly the key contributors for each team and during their careers have carved honored spots in their respective program's history. That should be enough. Secondly, no reasonable SBU fan would disagree UVM has been the conference heavyweight this last decade. SBU has made strides the last few years and as a Seawolf fan I hope we can have a level of dominence during the next decade and beyond. For a little historical perspective, Stony Brook was an Eastern power in the mid to late 70's. The program reached the Division III Final 4 in 1978. Of course, this means nothing in the D1 world, but still it is something the University community can be proud of.
 
#17 ·
I think Brenton certainly deserves some sort of recognition for his career. SBU coaching has built the team into a program expected to be successful after he's gone, but the way he plays has probably been a major attraction for the talent that the team has now. He's a charismatic team player who showers his teammates with dimes.
 
#22 · (Edited)
If he gets SBU to the big dance this year then yes...to me the retiring of a jersey is the highest of honors and should be done only for the extraordinary players...that have achieved greatness relative to our level...

UA has retired the number of one player...Jamar Wilson...that is the type of accomplished career that deserves a retired jersey. Sadly for SBU fans Tommy is no Jamar although he is a very well rounded/tough nosed player.
 
#26 ·
If tommy wins this year their careers are comparable. Tommy needs an NCAA tournement appearance. obviously jamar will have more points and assists and an NCAA tournement appearance but after that it is pretty close. Tommy will have more rebounds, steals,less turnovers, wins, regular season titles, NIT appearances. Tommy has been on the All Rookie team, second team, all defensive team, defensive player of the year, and first team all conference. Tommy has school records in steals and rebounds and with some help will finish second in assists. Tommy can guard any position on the court and like jamar has the ability to take over the game without scoring a basket.


Jamar was better but to say that "sadly Tommy is no jamar" is a little much. If SBU wins he should have it retired. Looking at our most recent recruitign class Tommy has had a bigger effect on our program as a whole.
 
#25 ·
Guys I hate to tell you this but if you have to start a petition to persuade the school/Administration to retire his jersey he probably doesn't deserve the accolade.

His Jersey will be retired because it is deserved and everyone realizes it - it's a no brainer whose jersey should be retired.

If you have push people it probably isn't deserved.

Usually numbers or jerseys are retired a few years or more after a player graduates and leaves - no coertion needed.

Just my thoughts.
 
#30 ·
Shhh, Patch c'mon I want to see how long this thing can go.

Creating an online petition to have a player's jersey retired....while he's still playing. And it's serious. You can't make this stuff up.

This has been comedic gold. I see Salty's posts are becoming truly inspirational to some of the other SBU fans.
 
#31 ·
Shhh, Patch c'mon I want to see how long this thing can go.

Creating an online petition to have a player's jersey retired....while he's still playing. And it's serious. You can't make this stuff up.

This has been comedic gold. I see Salty's posts are becoming truly inspirational to some of the other SBU fans.[/
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Agreeing w Hoop Cat and Patch is excruciatingly painful. I couldn't possibly have a greater appreciation for TB's game and contribution, but this discussion (and timing), along w the posts regarding SB's potential NCAA seeding...makes me understand why some species eat their young.
 
#39 ·
....If tommy wins this year their careers are comparable...NYCW
Before you compare Jamar and Tommy think about this....

How many time has Tommy been Player of the Year?

How many times has Tommy been Most Outstanding Player of the AE Tourney.

Not even close.

That's why one is an All Time Great and the other is a great player for their school.
 
#42 ·
My serious response though:

I think even just to receive consideration at minimum Brenton would have to get to the NCAA Tournament. Obviously, he's been the best player in SBU's D1 history thus far but in the world of retiring a players jersey, and no disrespect to Brenton who has been a tremendous player throughout his career for Stony Brook, he doesn't have the career numbers and accolades one would see from a player worthy of having their jersey retired, and if SBU did it would be setting the bar pretty low for themselves on retiring players jerseys IMO.

I get that all SBU fans love him, but if you took the name off the jersey and just looked at the numbers/accomplishments, it's not someone who gets their jersey retired.
 
#43 ·
I agree. He's great. He's one of the best we have had. But not worthy of retirement yet...
 
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