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Old 03-03-2013, 07:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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NIT, CIT and CBI Tournaments

Who has a chance at a post season tournament?

NIT: SBU current RPI = 72 (also auto-bid)

CIT/CBI: BU rpi = 144 and UVM rpi = 111.

I'd give Hartford rpi = 181 and Albany rpi = 160 outside shots at the CIT and CBI.

These RPIs are likely to change a few points once they update tomorrow.

Obv this is considering only 1 team will advance to the BIG dance.
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Re: NIT, CIT and CBI Tournaments

NIT (32 Teams): Stony Brook, only with an upset loss in the America East tournament.
CBI (16 Teams) : No America East team.
CIT (32 Teams from non-BCS Conferences): Vermont, Albany or Hartford, depending on which of them plays in the America East championship game.

Boston University’s season probably is over, unless Vermont, Albany and Hartford decline invitations to the CIT. In 2012, Buffalo, Yale, Fairfield, Manhattan and Albany were the only schools from the northeast in the CIT field. Unlikely that more than one school from America East will be invited to the CIT.
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Re: NIT, CIT and CBI Tournaments

68 teams go to NCAA Tournament. 32 teams go to NIT. 16 teams go to CBI. 32 teams (all non-BCS) go to CIT. That's 148 teams playing post-season basketball.

Vermont is a lock for either a CBI/CIT invite should they not make the NCAA's.
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Re: NIT, CIT and CBI Tournaments

NIT selections are made by the NCAA and I think we all agree the AE will not get an at-large selection.

However, the CBI and CIT are both pay-to-play tourneys, so the RPI is not as much as a factor as you might think.
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NIT selections are made by the NCAA and I think we all agree the AE will not get an at-large selection.

However, the CBI and CIT are both pay-to-play tourneys, so the RPI is not as much as a factor as you might think.
Agreed- SBU would be the only NIT rep this season.

Exactly on CBI/CIT- There will be a number of teams that will not want to pay-to-play so there will be a number of schools declining that otherwise might be great candidates. If Vermont wants to pay to keep going, as we did in the CBI in '09, then I'm certain we will. The CIT also helps schools like BU, Hartford because all 32 teams have to be from non-BCS conferences.
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Agreed- SBU would be the only NIT rep this season.

Exactly on CBI/CIT- There will be a number of teams that will not want to pay-to-play so there will be a number of schools declining that otherwise might be great candidates. If Vermont wants to pay to keep going, as we did in the CBI in '09, then I'm certain we will. The CIT also helps schools like BU, Hartford because all 32 teams have to be from non-BCS conferences.
I had forgotten the CIT expanded to 32 teams. Yes, I would hope we would be involved in that tournament, barring a trip to the NCAAs.
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I had forgotten the CIT expanded to 32 teams. Yes, I would hope we would be involved in that tournament, barring a trip to the NCAAs.
Yeah, considering it's the same group that does the Mid-Major Top 25 and we've been either ranked or receiving votes in the Top 25 all season, and many of the Top 25 right now will either be in the NCAA Tournament or NIT, I'd put it as a lock we'd be invited to CIT- only question is a matter of spending the money, but I assume the athletics department/Coach Becker/players would want to play some kind of tournament basketball.

Only way I think we'd declined if the team had too many injuries, but right now that doesn't seem to be the case (not major injuries anyways).
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However, the CBI and CIT are both pay-to-play tourneys, so the RPI is not as much as a factor as you might think.
To further add to this, Albany played in the CIT last season with an RPI of 212.
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To further add to this, Albany played in the CIT last season with an RPI of 212.
Exactly. Last season Quinnipiac finished 5th in the NEC (10-8, 161 RPI) and went to the CIT ahead of 2nd place Wagner (15-3, 94 RPI).

They cast a deep net for these tourneys.
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Exactly. Last season Quinnipiac finished 5th in the NEC (10-8, 161 RPI) and went to the CIT ahead of 2nd place Wagner (15-3, 94 RPI).

They cast a deep net for these tourneys.
Yep- they have to, because it's pay-to-play. That's why Vermont is a lock for the CBI or CIT, only question is whether they choose to go.

If they can't make the NCAA Tournament then I'd love to see them in the CIT- because its a tournament not only would they play, but probably play a couple games in and potentially could win.
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Re: NIT, CIT and CBI Tournaments

Just because I don't have anywhere else to post this, remember when we had the big argument over whether the NIT would take BU if they finished 1st in the conference, and I said there has to be a way they could weasel out of it? The SWAC is losing its NIT autobid because Texas Southern (which won the league) is postseason ineligible due to APR violations, per Andy Katz.

As I said, the NCAA/NIT will go to whatever gymnastics they have to in order to get the big boys into the NIT.
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Just because I don't have anywhere else to post this, remember when we had the big argument over whether the NIT would take BU if they finished 1st in the conference, and I said there has to be a way they could weasel out of it? The SWAC is losing its NIT autobid because Texas Southern (which won the league) is postseason ineligible due to APR violations, per Andy Katz.

As I said, the NCAA/NIT will go to whatever gymnastics they have to in order to get the big boys into the NIT.
I guess I would think logically that makes sense because NCAA Tournament ban would be applicable to both NCAA Tournament and NIT since NCAA also runs the NIT now. Additionally, the APR violations are a negative event and changing conferences of course isn't.

The AE conference was keeping BU out of its post season tournament, as far as I know the NCAA would welcome BU as a member in good standing into both the NCAA Tournament or NIT as an at-large (which we all know is a moot point as BU doesn't come close to qualifying for either).
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Basically, if UConn is allowed in the NIT- then we'll know the decision on Texas Southern is BS.
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Basically, if UConn is allowed in the NIT- then we'll know the decision on Texas Southern is BS.
Yep. Based on their resume, UConn should be a lock for the NIT. However, I wonder if the NCAA tourney ban based on their APR is also extended to the NIT.

At this point I'd have to think the best UConn can do is win the CBI, if they even accept the offer.
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Yep. Based on their resume, UConn should be a lock for the NIT. However, I wonder if the NCAA tourney ban based on their APR is also extended to the NIT.

At this point I'd have to think the best UConn can do is win the CBI, if they even accept the offer.
From what I've been able to piece together online, is they have been declared ineligible for all post-season tournaments- including NIT because NCAA owns it and also CBI- but I can't verify the CBI. CIT they aren't eligible for as a BCS school.

The only tournament the NCAA couldn't ban them from is the Big East Tournament- but the BE has a rule in place if any team is banned from post-season by NCAA they are ineligible for the conference tournament, for the obvious reasons if UConn was to win the tournament and the NCAA bid.

From everything I gather, the NCAA was most likely justified to keep Texas Southern out of NIT for APR sanctions.
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