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Old 01-12-2016, 03:56 AM   #91 (permalink)
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You're right, UVM did go 180 on their position on Shungu in the last several months.
Did he legitimately get better or does he have less talent around him making him look better? Or maybe a little of both?
I honestly think he's gotten a lot better even in that short of a time- he also is far more stronger/athletic then I remember him being. At 6'2" 200lbs he looks like he'd be the most physical/biggest guard on our team now.
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Also, Shungu plays at Rice. No doubt the coaching staff have seen been watching Shungu play for years. I wouldn't read too much into whether they actually were or were not actively recruiting him over the summer.
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Did he legitimately get better or does he have less talent around him making him look better? Or maybe a little of both?
Cieplicki has been after Ben for years. I've heard whispers that Becker was not that hot on him (or he gave that impression). It's pretty well documented in this forum that UVM needs other players more than another point guard. Here's what I've been wondering...how much longer do we have Becker for? Does anyone know how long his contract runs? I think its likely Becker gets a better offer reasonably soon. When that happens, I think Cieplicki will be a candidate for head coach, which could be a reason UVM made the offer. Cieplicki wants his guy, (Shungu). Becker is confident he won't be around much longer, so he let's Kyle offer a kid he wants, even though its likely he won't be much of an asset for 2-3 years.
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Cieplicki has been after Ben for years. I've heard whispers that Becker was not that hot on him (or he gave that impression). It's pretty well documented in this forum that UVM needs other players more than another point guard. Here's what I've been wondering...how much longer do we have Becker for? Does anyone know how long his contract runs? I think its likely Becker gets a better offer reasonably soon. When that happens, I think Cieplicki will be a candidate for head coach, which could be a reason UVM made the offer. Cieplicki wants his guy, (Shungu). Becker is confident he won't be around much longer, so he let's Kyle offer a kid he wants, even though its likely he won't be much of an asset for 2-3 years.
It's possible, but I don't see Becker being able to leave for a much better-a la Lonergan- scenario unless he gets UVM to the NCAAs again- which very well could happen within the next 3 years, but as we saw in 2012-13 and 2013-14 that's no guarantee w/ Becker. I don't see him leaving for a sideways job, but that's all going to depend on the relationship between him and the new AD.

A more likely scenario is Sistare informed us he wasn't coming and we offered Shungu. No idea if that's accurate or not- I'm hoping not because I really like Sistare and would hope we're still in the mix.

Finally, there's nothing wrong with adding a guard for this class- especially if we plan to redshirt Shungu....time moves fast, TBH and Ward will already be juniors next season, Ernie a SO and Wills a Sr....
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Cieplicki has been after Ben for years. I've heard whispers that Becker was not that hot on him (or he gave that impression). It's pretty well documented in this forum that UVM needs other players more than another point guard. Here's what I've been wondering...how much longer do we have Becker for? Does anyone know how long his contract runs? I think its likely Becker gets a better offer reasonably soon. When that happens, I think Cieplicki will be a candidate for head coach, which could be a reason UVM made the offer. Cieplicki wants his guy, (Shungu). Becker is confident he won't be around much longer, so he let's Kyle offer a kid he wants, even though its likely he won't be much of an asset for 2-3 years.
This really doesn't have anything to do with a succession plan. Becker isn't going anywhere for a while, unless he goes out to look for gigs, and I don't think that he is. He knows how lucky he is to have a job like UVM. His contract runs through at least 2018.

Kyle may have liked Ben for a while, but the decision was wait and see mode. He was never out of their sights completely, but they wanted to be sure. They wanted to see what he did in the summer and how he grew into being the man this year at Rice. As many have already said, he's checked a lot of those boxes. They're getting a kid who knows the deal. He'll have to fight for all his minutes, but he's going to be prepared to do that, and probably be good enough that 2-3 years into his career he's playing some role.

You're reading too much into the Becker/Kyle coaching thing. They simply decided they were ready to offer the best local prospect, because they felt he'd fit their needs.
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Cieplicki has been after Ben for years. I've heard whispers that Becker was not that hot on him (or he gave that impression). It's pretty well documented in this forum that UVM needs other players more than another point guard. Here's what I've been wondering...how much longer do we have Becker for? Does anyone know how long his contract runs? I think its likely Becker gets a better offer reasonably soon. When that happens, I think Cieplicki will be a candidate for head coach, which could be a reason UVM made the offer. Cieplicki wants his guy, (Shungu). Becker is confident he won't be around much longer, so he let's Kyle offer a kid he wants, even though its likely he won't be much of an asset for 2-3 years.

Interesting perspective. As far as an asset it's becoming a guard driven league and if shungu shows he can improve and carry his skill set to the next level I think he sees significant playing time his sophomore year. The kid is 6'2 200lbs (If hes done growing), handles the ball well, goes to the basket and knocks down shots and passing which will more than likely be his role . He can only improve surrounded by talent around him.

I'll agree he's probably not needed at UVM but im sure becker plans on red shirting him his first year and I could very well see him having a successful career at UVM. People forget he has played in AAU tournaments which I heard he did well against top guards, Its different playing on a young rice team where you're asked to score 30 every game.
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This really doesn't have anything to do with a succession plan. Becker isn't going anywhere for a while, unless he goes out to look for gigs, and I don't think that he is. He knows how lucky he is to have a job like UVM. His contract runs through at least 2018.

Kyle may have liked Ben for a while, but the decision was wait and see mode. He was never out of their sights completely, but they wanted to be sure. They wanted to see what he did in the summer and how he grew into being the man this year at Rice. As many have already said, he's checked a lot of those boxes. They're getting a kid who knows the deal. He'll have to fight for all his minutes, but he's going to be prepared to do that, and probably be good enough that 2-3 years into his career he's playing some role.

You're reading too much into the Becker/Kyle coaching thing. They simply decided they were ready to offer the best local prospect, because they felt he'd fit their needs.
You're probably right...I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy. :-)

If Becker's contract is through 2018, that's two more seasons. We should be pretty good next year and be candidates to win the conference and possibly the AE tourney. That would certainly raise Becker's candidacy for better paying jobs.
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This really doesn't have anything to do with a succession plan. Becker isn't going anywhere for a while, unless he goes out to look for gigs, and I don't think that he is. He knows how lucky he is to have a job like UVM. His contract runs through at least 2018.

Kyle may have liked Ben for a while, but the decision was wait and see mode. He was never out of their sights completely, but they wanted to be sure. They wanted to see what he did in the summer and how he grew into being the man this year at Rice. As many have already said, he's checked a lot of those boxes. They're getting a kid who knows the deal. He'll have to fight for all his minutes, but he's going to be prepared to do that, and probably be good enough that 2-3 years into his career he's playing some role.

You're reading too much into the Becker/Kyle coaching thing. They simply decided they were ready to offer the best local prospect, because they felt he'd fit their needs.
You're probably right...I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy. :-)

If Becker's contract is through 2018, that's two more seasons. We should be pretty good next year and be candidates to win the conference and possibly the AE tourney. That would certainly raise Becker's candidacy for better paying jobs.
Would love for that to be a problem we face!
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I don't think there is an ian Sistare link with the ben offer. People have been calling Ben a pg not sg. It was also said that the offer is for him to pay for his rs first year. That would make shungu a 2017 recruit who would be a back up Pg a few years after that. Sistare would be a sg seeing major minutes years before shungu. We could easily take both especially if Ben is paying his own year one.

I def think it's ben has proved himself to be worth an offer finally. He wasn't a sure bet and there is no need to offer those kids early. His ceiling isn't that high so we knew there wasn't going to be bcs teams swooping in.
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This sets up nicely for a Kendrick Gray commitment out of the nowhere!
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local Vt kids going to their local D1 school to play basketball; I'm sure increased ticket sales and more fan support. BFP and other news channels will eat this up lol
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This really doesn't have anything to do with a succession plan. Becker isn't going anywhere for a while, unless he goes out to look for gigs, and I don't think that he is. He knows how lucky he is to have a job like UVM. His contract runs through at least 2018.

Kyle may have liked Ben for a while, but the decision was wait and see mode. He was never out of their sights completely, but they wanted to be sure. They wanted to see what he did in the summer and how he grew into being the man this year at Rice. As many have already said, he's checked a lot of those boxes. They're getting a kid who knows the deal. He'll have to fight for all his minutes, but he's going to be prepared to do that, and probably be good enough that 2-3 years into his career he's playing some role.

You're reading too much into the Becker/Kyle coaching thing. They simply decided they were ready to offer the best local prospect, because they felt he'd fit their needs.
You're probably right...I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy. :-)

If Becker's contract is through 2018, that's two more seasons. We should be pretty good next year and be candidates to win the conference and possibly the AE tourney. That would certainly raise Becker's candidacy for better paying jobs.
Becker's contract is through 2018, according to this old BFP story

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/s...ract/13813411/
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Hello, Nathan LeClair from Verbal Commits here. We talked to a very close source about Ben Shungu in regards to a Vermont offer, and they told us that it was "false information" and that they have not offered him.
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The closest source I'd imagine would be family, his coaches and the UVM coaching staff..can you elaborate?
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