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Old 03-09-2017, 05:21 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Here's some more "drivel" from the MBR board's resident "genius," Cim:

This is related to a post from a poster identified as "manny," who strongly disagrees with Cim's contention that Peter Gavett (who, of course, played for the almighty Cim in high school) was the most-highly recruited player in our state of Maine's history ...

Question the word man in man..ny as you don't have the intestinal fortitude to reveal who you are as you hide behind a user name like most of my critics, except TAL1957.

Gavett stayed home at Maine because of family member's serious health issue.

For your information Gavett didn't get enough touches because he didn't play point guard at Maine. If he had they wouldn't have lost to the state series teams. He was out of position as a forward.

For your information. when Gavett lead the olde Yankee Conference, which was certainly a lot tougher then America L'East today,in scoring average of points per game average his junior and senior years they didn't have the 3 point shot either. He also was in every one of the top 10 offensive categories that the Yankee conference kept at that time those two years.

FOR CIM'S INFORMATION, the olde Yankee Conference back then was extremely weak, as was UMaine's schedule. Maine played 10 games in each of Gavett's last two seasons against D-III teams (7) and D-II teams (3).
Just let it go. If I cared to know what was happening with Bob Cimbollek, I'd read MBR. I don't, and that's why I don't read that site. Just talk Maine basketball here and leave his crap there.
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Just let it go. If I cared to know what was happening with Bob Cimbollek, I'd read MBR. I don't, and that's why I don't read that site. Just talk Maine basketball here and leave his crap there.
Hard to let his "crap" go ignored. Cimbollek is such an out-of-touch poster that it's unfathomable. His "crap" gets posted on a Maine-basketball forum, and this thread is about Maine basketball. So, bringing his stupidity to light is, in some way, talking about Maine basketball. If nothing else, I'm hoping that some posters here will go to MBR to debunk the "genius."
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Hard to let his "crap" go ignored. Cimbollek is such an out-of-touch poster that it's unfathomable. His "crap" gets posted on a Maine-basketball forum, and this thread is about Maine basketball. So, bringing his stupidity to light is, in some way, talking about Maine basketball. If nothing else, I'm hoping that some posters here will go to MBR to debunk the "genius."
You're off the rails. Seems to be happening with a lot of people these days...
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You're off the rails. Seems to be happening with a lot of people these days...
You're calling someone off the rails?
How hard can I laugh at the hypocrisy of that statement?
Oh, and why don't you get your friend, Cim, to come here and make a fool of himself in two forums?
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I'm not friends with Bob Cimbollek. He is an 80 year old man who passes his time om MBR. I don't know him or have any association with him.

You went into a tizzy with me after I challenged your assertion that Walsh was a "good coach" and we should be "overjoyed to have him as the coach".

He has not been a good coach at Maine & I am not overjoyed to have him as head coach. Sorry if that goes against your agenda.
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Re: Maine fans: a plea for sanity

Seriously, if any of us here wanted the drama of MBR, we would be over there. There is absolutely no reason to bring any of that garbage here to this forum. For the record, I have an account over there but very rarely go any longer. I don't need any of it regurgitated here. If I want to know the latest & greatest being posted over, I would just go there directly.
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I'm not friends with Bob Cimbollek. He is an 80 year old man who passes his time om MBR. I don't know him or have any association with him.

You went into a tizzy with me after I challenged your assertion that Walsh was a "good coach" and we should be "overjoyed to have him as the coach".

He has not been a good coach at Maine & I am not overjoyed to have him as head coach. Sorry if that goes against your agenda.
Not a "tizzy," just trying to bring some insight to that relatively used mass of density above your neck. And, it's not my "agenda." It's called insight/expertise and actually knowing Coach Walsh and knowing what he has done in the past and remains capable of eventually doing at Maine.

OK, mj, let's see you show just how lousy is Walsh as a coach ...

- Record at RIC: 204-63. One 19-win season, followed by 8 straight years of 20+ victories. This at a D-III program where "coaching" is far more important in the overall equation than talent.

- Recruiting ability: An assistant at Iona, 1994-95/95-96. Players he helped recruit: 21-9 in 1995-96; 22-8 1996-97; 27-6 1997-98.
San Diego, one year (1997-98). Players he helped recruit: 18-9 in 1998-99, 20--9 in 1999-2000.
Providence College (Big East, toughest conference in D-I when he was there as an assistant from 1998-2005). Players he helped recruit, overall record: 118-94.

So, he's a terrific X's and O's guy and an extremely effective recruiter.
What's not to like?
OK, a bad record at Maine over 3 years. The roster is not yet entirely his. He got hired very late at Maine so, basically, only two years of effectively recruiting there.
Left with next to nothing when he took over.
Extremely difficult place to recruit ... weather, location, lack of social activities (even though mainejeff perceives Bangor to rival Spokane/Gonzaga for cultural offerings), dearth of state-bred D-I talent, mediocre campus, etc.
Yet, he has brought in players above AE level, albeit several of them have transferred out to higher level programs ... still, though, proof that he can bring in higher-than-AE level players.
Next year's roster is relatively loaded with returnees, a high-level transfer and other recruits.
All I'm saying is to keep an open mind and give the coach a chance to see what happens at Maine next season.

It's just very unfortunate that the small minds like mj and Cimbollek over at MBR aren't willing to do that.
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Seriously, if any of us here wanted the drama of MBR, we would be over there. There is absolutely no reason to bring any of that garbage here to this forum. For the record, I have an account over there but very rarely go any longer. I don't need any of it regurgitated here. If I want to know the latest & greatest being posted over, I would just go there directly.
You're right. It is "garbage" and "drama" over there. It just bothers me to no end that a total know-nothing like Cimbollek passes himself off as the forum's "expert." Thankfully, there are more than a few posters there that "get it."
Sorry if I've taken my animus into this forum. But, the MBR administrator has banned me there for my critiques of Cim's ludicrous postings.
I reserve the right to vent here once in a while.
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So, he's a terrific X's and O's guy and an extremely effective recruiter.
What's not to like?
He has been a good recruiter at Maine but can't keep his best recruits at Maine. He has not demonstrated that he is a "terrific X's and O's guy".

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OK, a bad record at Maine over 3 years. The roster is not yet entirely his. He got hired very late at Maine so, basically, only two years of effectively recruiting there.
Whatever the excuses...one more bad season and he is OUT.

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Left with next to nothing when he took over.
Extremely difficult place to recruit ... weather, location, lack of social activities (even though mainejeff perceives Bangor to rival Spokane/Gonzaga for cultural offerings), dearth of state-bred D-I talent, mediocre campus, etc.
Yet, he has brought in players above AE level, albeit several of them have transferred out to higher level programs ... still, though, proof that he can bring in higher-than-AE level players.
I never said that UM rivals Gonzaga in basketball....that is YOU putting words in my mouth. I said that there is nothing special about Spokane as a city & location...it's an isolated city that is larger than Bangor but far away from large destination cities. Before Mark Few...Spokane was not part of the mainstream college hoop world (and yes, I know that John Stockton went there).


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Next year's roster is relatively loaded with returnees, a high-level transfer and other recruits.
All I'm saying is to keep an open mind and give the coach a chance to see what happens at Maine next season.
This seems directed at the AD....I'm not the AD. The roster is loaded with walk-ons and about 3 or 4 D-1 level players.

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It's just very unfortunate that the small minds like mj and Cimbollek over at MBR aren't willing to do that.
I don't have a small mind. I base my opinion on numbers.....like 18-74.
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He has been a good recruiter at Maine but can't keep his best recruits at Maine. He has not demonstrated that he is a "terrific X's and O's guy".



Whatever the excuses...one more bad season and he is OUT.



I never said that UM rivals Gonzaga in basketball....that is YOU putting words in my mouth. I said that there is nothing special about Spokane as a city & location...it's an isolated city that is larger than Bangor but far away from large destination cities. Before Mark Few...Spokane was not part of the mainstream college hoop world (and yes, I know that John Stockton went there).




This seems directed at the AD....I'm not the AD. The roster is loaded with walk-ons and about 3 or 4 D-1 level players.



I don't have a small mind. I base my opinion on numbers.....like 18-74.
Yeah, easy to look at numbers and, then, make a knee-jerk reaction. If the New York Giants just looked at Bill Parcell's early numbers ... and, I'll let you look them up ... he would have gotten fired early.
If Duke only considered Mike Krzyzewski's first three years (again, you can look the up), he'd have gotten fired after three seasons.

And, you're the expert who sees the roster and KNOWS it' a bunch of walk-ons and 3 or 4 D-I players? Take another look.

Nothing special about Spokane? Isolated? It's got 220,000 residents. It's a good-sized city with terrific social/cultural activities. Compare that to Bangor/Orono. You should visit Spokane before making assumptions about which you know very little ... kind of like your assumptions about Coach Walsh.
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Yeah, easy to look at numbers and, then, make a knee-jerk reaction. If the New York Giants just looked at Bill Parcell's early numbers ... and, I'll let you look them up ... he would have gotten fired early.
If Duke only considered Mike Krzyzewski's first three years (again, you can look the up), he'd have gotten fired after three seasons.
Good grief...It's not making a "knee-jerk reaction" to judge the head coach of a D-1 basketball team after 3 seasons. He will get a 4th...and then it will definitely NOT be a knee-jerk reaction.

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And, you're the expert who sees the roster and KNOWS it' a bunch of walk-ons and 3 or 4 D-I players? Take another look.
Someone PLEASE help me out here....any of you AE fans out there think that Maine has more than 3 or 4 legit D-1 players right now?

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Nothing special about Spokane? Isolated? It's got 220,000 residents. It's a good-sized city with terrific social/cultural activities. Compare that to Bangor/Orono. You should visit Spokane before making assumptions about which you know very little ... kind of like your assumptions about Coach Walsh.
Yes, I know that you are Spokane's biggest fan....maybe you should work for the Chamber of Commerce? Obviously, it's a decent size city and every decent sized city will have its bars, restaurants & shopping malls. But before Mark Few....there weren't many good players looking at a map of the U.S. and saying....I want to spend 4 years in Spokane! If Walsh can't deal with UMaine being in Orono, Maine then it's time to look for another coach!
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Good grief...It's not making a "knee-jerk reaction" to judge the head coach of a D-1 basketball team after 3 seasons. He will get a 4th...and then it will definitely NOT be a knee-jerk reaction.



Someone PLEASE help me out here....any of you AE fans out there think that Maine has more than 3 or 4 legit D-1 players right now?



Yes, I know that you are Spokane's biggest fan....maybe you should work for the Chamber of Commerce? Obviously, it's a decent size city and every decent sized city will have its bars, restaurants & shopping malls. But before Mark Few....there weren't many good players looking at a map of the U.S. and saying....I want to spend 4 years in Spokane! If Walsh can't deal with UMaine being in Orono, Maine then it's time to look for another coach!
With injuries, suspensions and untimely departures, I'd say no.

With that being said, Tom Brennan stunk at UVM for like 20 years before anything happened for him. I believe the administration expected him to run a clean program, graduate his players and cash his 50K a year paycheck. As a fan, our goals are probably different from that of the administration. As fans, we don't have to manage the athletic budget, we just want to win/get better no matter what. If I'm the Maine AD, I'm probably allocating resources to other Maine programs...football, hockey?
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With injuries, suspensions and untimely departures, I'd say no.

With that being said, Tom Brennan stunk at UVM for like 20 years before anything happened for him. I believe the administration expected him to run a clean program, graduate his players and cash his 50K a year paycheck. As a fan, our goals are probably different from that of the administration. As fans, we don't have to manage the athletic budget, we just want to win/get better no matter what. If I'm the Maine AD, I'm probably allocating resources to other Maine programs...football, hockey?
I don't want to sound like I'm getting in an argument, but I really do hate the whole "Tom Brennan stunk for 20 years" thing.

He got a long leash and an apathetic athletic department and in this day and age, he's probably fired sooner. However, in year 4 at UVM he went from 6 to 13 wins, and with Matt Johnson and Kevin Roberson, he got to two top 4 finishes and a AE finals appearance in a league that was much stronger than it is today, and then in the late 90s had some winning seasons with Benton and Tony O. He won the lottery with Coppenrath and Sorrentine, and yes, still has a losing record as head coach in his time, but I'd argue he punched well above his weight given the circumstances you laid out, which were totally true at the time, until the school realized if it gave out 13 scholarships, it can win some basketball games.

Walsh has to show he can make the jump so there's at least some thought that he can get to double digit wins and build on something. Besides me thinking he's more into his personal brand than he is being a basketball coach, to me it's about him not "getting" what kind of person to bring to Maine. Brennan always "got" what type of player to bring to UVM - and he brought some damn good ones in that got him some winning seasons, too. People just kinda forget, and I get why, but I think it's kind of an unjustified knock on TB.
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I might be wrong, but I've felt over the last 10 years or so that Maine athletic department treats mens basketball in the just "happy to be fielding a team" department versus "mens basketball is an important part of our overall athletic department's success/winning culture".

Whether that view is wrong or not, that's what it feels like.
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