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Old 05-12-2017, 08:00 AM   #106 (permalink)
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First off lets be real he played 2 minutes in a 30 pt blowout in the NCAAs!

Secondly with his 1st year DI stats he probably wasn't going to draw much DI attention as a transfer and/or he probably didn't want to sit a (another yr - he sat most of his 1st DI year) year. So he went JC, played and still has 2 years eligibility.

Third he chose a place where he thought he had the best chance to play, winning was probably secondary at this point in his career.
Right. He's not a savior or anything but seems like he can shoot it a bit. At the very least, opposing AE coaches are going to have to watch a lot of tape on Maine to figure out who is who.
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http://bangordailynews.com/2017/05/1...?ref=SportsBox

Long and interesting article on the transfer sagas on the men's and women's side in Orono. Finkelstein going on record dancing around but not quite saying "you can't win in Orono anymore."

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“Candidly you have to acknowledge that [UMaine is] a harder job than most and it’s probably the hardest job in the league,” said Finkelstein, a former men’s assistant coach at the University of Hartford, an America East member. “You have to acknowledge that in order to really assess how things are going there.

“I think within the industry there’s no doubt that they have the right guy [Walsh] there. There’s also no doubt that it’s a hard job,” he added. “It’s not the same job it was 15 years ago, it’s only gotten more challenging and that’s not even getting into budget concerns or anything else.”
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Hard job, but you are what your record says you are. Does Walsh have an extension on the table? He can't be feeling good going into a contract year, when he's likely to duplicate last season's record.

I understand all the challenges Maine faces up there, but I can't help but read articles like this and think it's a blanket excuse to explain away the losing and departures. That, or they certainly want to set people's expectations and care levels so low that nobody will notice they're losing 25 games a year, despite having talent showing up on campus sometimes.
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Hard job doesn't even really do it justice. Maine athletics department has a lot of mouths to feed and not nearly enough resources to keep it all well fed.

It's like wondering what Vermont would be like if it hired Jesse Agel and continued to pay the HC 75K- and Maine never even won at the level Vermont did.

Walsh is paid probably a minimum of 100K less a year than the next lowest paid coach in the conference. Not saying that's an excuse to win sub-10 games every year, but given the resources Maine uses towards Mens basketball and other challenges unrelated to that, what's a realistic expectation? In 2017, is it honestly realistic to believe Maine should be able to consistently finish in the Top 5? I'm not sure it is.

As for the increase in transfers, this is something that is not new and has been a trend for at least the last 5 years- most schools may have 1-2 transfers a year, if that- but when you're talking 3-5 kids each season over multiple years, and comparing it to a school like South Florida which is dysfunctional- then it's not something that's really "normal" -it points to problems within a team and dysfunction.
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I'm not comparing the challenges of coaching at D-I to D-III, but it's not like Walsh was losing 4-5 kids a year at RIC. There hasn't been any murmurings from players leaving that he was an asshole.

I guess I have yet to hear anyone mention a name of a coach that could win at Maine, with the current budget, at the current salary.
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I'm not comparing the challenges of coaching at D-I to D-III, but it's not like Walsh was losing 4-5 kids a year at RIC. There hasn't been any murmurings from players leaving that he was an asshole.

I guess I have yet to hear anyone mention a name of a coach that could win at Maine, with the current budget, at the current salary.
On paper, the only kid leaving that really makes sense is Vann since he's talented enough to play at a much higher level. Little ending up at Colorado State is really surprising to me as he's just an undersized volume shooter of which there are many- but if you want to include him then that's 2 that had legit reasons to leave/left for obvious better opportunities.

All the other kids presumably left because they weren't happy enough with their experience at Maine basketball-can attribute it however you'd like- winning/losing, playing time, locker room, classroom/campus, long distance, whatever.


Yeah, I have nothing there- I don't know if Walsh is the answer or if he is. That being said, given what Maine pays the position it's never not going to be a roll of the dice- I do know that.
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Hard job doesn't even really do it justice. Maine athletics department has a lot of mouths to feed and not nearly enough resources to keep it all well fed.

It's like wondering what Vermont would be like if it hired Jesse Agel and continued to pay the HC 75K- and Maine never even won at the level Vermont did.

Walsh is paid probably a minimum of 100K less a year than the next lowest paid coach in the conference. Not saying that's an excuse to win sub-10 games every year, but given the resources Maine uses towards Mens basketball and other challenges unrelated to that, what's a realistic expectation? In 2017, is it honestly realistic to believe Maine should be able to consistently finish in the Top 5? I'm not sure it is.

As for the increase in transfers, this is something that is not new and has been a trend for at least the last 5 years- most schools may have 1-2 transfers a year, if that- but when you're talking 3-5 kids each season over multiple years, and comparing it to a school like South Florida which is dysfunctional- then it's not something that's really "normal" -it points to problems within a team and dysfunction.
I thought Walsh was making 100k woodwards buyout year and it then bumped up to 140kish. I'm pretty sure there is a couple coaches making less than 240k
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I thought Walsh was making 100k woodwards buyout year and it then bumped up to 140kish. I'm pretty sure there is a couple coaches making less than 240k
I could be wrong but I thought for the first couple years it was 100K and then bumped up to 120K.

Either way, the next lowest paid coaches are likely Herrion and maybe Duquette (?)- and I'd imagine Herrion is making at least 240K now especially after his recent relative success for UNH.
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Hard job doesn't even really do it justice. Maine athletics department has a lot of mouths to feed and not nearly enough resources to keep it all well fed.

It's like wondering what Vermont would be like if it hired Jesse Agel and continued to pay the HC 75K- and Maine never even won at the level Vermont did.

Walsh is paid probably a minimum of 100K less a year than the next lowest paid coach in the conference. Not saying that's an excuse to win sub-10 games every year, but given the resources Maine uses towards Mens basketball and other challenges unrelated to that, what's a realistic expectation? In 2017, is it honestly realistic to believe Maine should be able to consistently finish in the Top 5? I'm not sure it is.

As for the increase in transfers, this is something that is not new and has been a trend for at least the last 5 years- most schools may have 1-2 transfers a year, if that- but when you're talking 3-5 kids each season over multiple years, and comparing it to a school like South Florida which is dysfunctional- then it's not something that's really "normal" -it points to problems within a team and dysfunction.
He makes $110k per a Google search. Ted Woodward could win 6 conference games and get you 12 wins making under 100k. He got 8 years at the helm, took over a better situation, which I get, but the point remains. There's no light at the end of the tunnel for Maine now, in fact might be worse than when (deservedly) Woodward left.

Walsh's teams can't even muster up more than 4 conference wins, and he's in a league with Hartford and Binghamton, who suck just as bad, and Lowell, which is punching above its weight. We've established he can get some talented players to Orono...but when you're losing 25 games every year and half the roster that falls on the guy in charge.

He wasn't losing players at RIC either because for one, he probably only recruited within a 40-mile radius of campus, which you can do easily at a D3 school in that location, and this is a big one: he was winning. Winning culture = players wanting to stick around/less transfers. He's obviously not instilled that culture in Maine, and that might be because he's in over his head there?
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