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Old 05-21-2017, 11:35 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Re: Wright MLS Bound

FYI, Wright is back to not making the 18 since Kamara returned. He either gets sent out on loan again, or makes a US Open Cup appearance in the next round. Such a shame.
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Old 05-21-2017, 03:33 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I don't know why the Revs took Wright if they intended to re-acquire Femi. Then again, I'm a Union fan, so what do I know
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I don't really know much about the MLS Draft, but there's 4 rounds.....is it normal for a 1st round draft choice to not have played in a game yet? It's not even like the Revs are at the top of MLS where you might expect there would be stiffer competition/deeper team.....Wright is a really exciting, dynamic player- I'm not sure why he wouldn't be playing.
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I don't really know much about the MLS Draft, but there's 4 rounds.....is it normal for a 1st round draft choice to not have played in a game yet? It's not even like the Revs are at the top of MLS where you might expect there would be stiffer competition/deeper team.....Wright is a really exciting, dynamic player- I'm not sure why he wouldn't be playing.
I'm not sure, but from a personal experience, a very good friend of mine had his son drafted in the first round (son played for a high level college team in a Power 5 conference). He didn't play for the MLS team at all his first year, was never on the active roster and was loaned out most of the season. However, this, his 2nd year, he was loaned out once early but since has been on the active roster and has actually been subbed into a few games this year.

I haven't followed the sport/leagues very closely nor have I developed some strong opinions as others, but that has been what I have seen.

Is it the norm? I have no clue.
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I don't really know much about the MLS Draft, but there's 4 rounds.....is it normal for a 1st round draft choice to not have played in a game yet? It's not even like the Revs are at the top of MLS where you might expect there would be stiffer competition/deeper team.....Wright is a really exciting, dynamic player- I'm not sure why he wouldn't be playing.
Yes - and generally because league management prefers older players. Guys who've proven to be marginal but at one point were good still find jobs in the league because they're "known" and probably some of it has to do with the fact that they might be owed some sort of guaranteed money, and since the league is paying them, they need to be placed on a roster.

If you're being loaned out, maybe it's helpful, but often times it can be a death knell for a player. It's not looking good for Wright at the moment.

I glanced over the 2015 and 2016 drafts. Of players who were loaned out, only 3 from 2015 are still on active MLS rosters. Others who were placed on loan are either in USL permanently, or out of contract.

In 2016, 13 of 20 selections have made less than 20 MLS appearances, and are either on loan, signed in USL, or out of contract.

The average age of these players is 22. That's not young in soccer years. Most places around the world a "first round pick" type 22 year old would already have probably over 75-100 first team appearances.
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I don't really know much about the MLS Draft, but there's 4 rounds.....is it normal for a 1st round draft choice to not have played in a game yet? It's not even like the Revs are at the top of MLS where you might expect there would be stiffer competition/deeper team.....Wright is a really exciting, dynamic player- I'm not sure why he wouldn't be playing.
Really a case by case basis. Right now one of the Union's starting center backs was a 4th rounder this year.

In Wright's case, I think he'd be playing the role Femi Hollinger-Janzen plays for the Revs now if they didn't reacquire him after losing him in expansion.
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Yes - and generally because league management prefers older players. Guys who've proven to be marginal but at one point were good still find jobs in the league because they're "known" and probably some of it has to do with the fact that they might be owed some sort of guaranteed money, and since the league is paying them, they need to be placed on a roster.

If you're being loaned out, maybe it's helpful, but often times it can be a death knell for a player. It's not looking good for Wright at the moment.

I glanced over the 2015 and 2016 drafts. Of players who were loaned out, only 3 from 2015 are still on active MLS rosters. Others who were placed on loan are either in USL permanently, or out of contract.

In 2016, 13 of 20 selections have made less than 20 MLS appearances, and are either on loan, signed in USL, or out of contract.

The average age of these players is 22. That's not young in soccer years. Most places around the world a "first round pick" type 22 year old would already have probably over 75-100 first team appearances.
Do any of those numbers take into account the "home grown player" thing that the MLS has? It seems like those guys may stick around more.
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Do any of those numbers take into account the "home grown player" thing that the MLS has? It seems like those guys may stick around more.
No, just college drafted players who by definition aren't homegrown. But, homegrown players aren't faring too well in playing time either. 10 years after the program was instituted, homegrowns only count for 10% of overall minutes in the league: https://www.soccernation.com/how-ski...-disadvantage/
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That's a bit harsh, since 10 years ago MLS only had 13 teams. 11 academies have had to be established since then, and many are only just now starting to see the fruits of their labor. Look at Dallas right now, last year's Supporters' Shield winners who also led the league in HGP minutes. Red Bulls, the East's top team, were second. Meanwhile my Union, established in 2010, are only just now getting HGPs minutes (Derrick Jones started our first few games of the season). Although Keegan Rosenberry (who played every minute of the season last year) was in our academy, our homegrown claim on him was rejected because he took summer classes at Georgetown to speed up his degree

I think the addition of MLS reserve teams in USL will help that number go up going forward
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That's a bit harsh, since 10 years ago MLS only had 13 teams. 11 academies have had to be established since then, and many are only just now starting to see the fruits of their labor. Look at Dallas right now, last year's Supporters' Shield winners who also led the league in HGP minutes. Red Bulls, the East's top team, were second. Meanwhile my Union, established in 2010, are only just now getting HGPs minutes (Derrick Jones started our first few games of the season). Although Keegan Rosenberry (who played every minute of the season last year) was in our academy, our homegrown claim on him was rejected because he took summer classes at Georgetown to speed up his degree

I think the addition of MLS reserve teams in USL will help that number go up going forward
It doesn't take away from the fact that homegrown players and development is mostly a lip service, especially if you can get another player a green card to skirt your international roster sports in favor of actually putting down a real investment to funnel players into the first team. Sure, some of them work out nice, but that # is proving not many, and it's still a good enough sample size. 10 years is plenty of time for the likes of LA Galaxy, DC United, Chicago Fire, New England Revolution, Houston Dynamo, etc. to produce multiple first teamers from its academies by now, especially given the amount of diverse talent in their "territories" and the amount of investment its owners, who are billionaires mind you, want to give in terms of resources. Most of them have only produced 1-2 tops. Adding teams doesn't change the fact that it's not even close to enough.

Of course it comes down to the # of opportunities/real stakes and incentives, of which MLS franchises have no incentive to fully commit. There's not a punishment for not developing and finding players. There's not an incentive to develop to sell on to help sustain a club at lower levels. Bob Kraft just wants the Revs to be a tax write-off, as do most of the league's owners.
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Yes - and generally because league management prefers older players. Guys who've proven to be marginal but at one point were good still find jobs in the league because they're "known" and probably some of it has to do with the fact that they might be owed some sort of guaranteed money, and since the league is paying them, they need to be placed on a roster.

If you're being loaned out, maybe it's helpful, but often times it can be a death knell for a player. It's not looking good for Wright at the moment.

I glanced over the 2015 and 2016 drafts. Of players who were loaned out, only 3 from 2015 are still on active MLS rosters. Others who were placed on loan are either in USL permanently, or out of contract.

In 2016, 13 of 20 selections have made less than 20 MLS appearances, and are either on loan, signed in USL, or out of contract.

The average age of these players is 22. That's not young in soccer years. Most places around the world a "first round pick" type 22 year old would already have probably over 75-100 first team appearances.
Thanks, and that's interesting. The MLS Draft seems to serve very little purpose then in terms of being a source for teams to add talent. When Wright was drafted in the first round my assumption was that he'd definitely be a regular roster player/substitute at minimum- but admittedly that's w/ knowing very little about the MLS and basing it off how first round works in other sports- obviously my assumption is way off.
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